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Luby’s Massacre Victim Debates Gun Control With Misinformed CNN Host

The Luby’s restaurant massacre took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas. George Hennard drove his pickup truck into the cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. Because of a Texas gun law at that time, citizens were not permitted to carry a weapon in public places. As is always the case, people who want to commit a crime don’t care about laws:

“Responding to the massacre [at the Luby’s cafeteria], the Texas Legislature in 1995 passed a shall-issue gun law, which requires that all qualifying applicants be issued a Concealed Handgun License. . . .

“The law had been campaigned for by Dr. Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the massacre where both of her parents were shot and killed. She later expressed regret for obeying the law by leaving her firearm in her car rather than keeping it on her person due to the fact that it could have cost her chiropractic license.

“She testified across the country in support of concealed handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996. The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush.”

Since guns laws and places where guns can be carried have restricted law-abiding citizens from having a way to bring down a criminal with a gun, murders like the one that happened in Killeen, Texas, have increased.

I suspect that some lone shooter or group of terrorists will think twice about going on the campus of a school where it is known that people are armed. These types of shooters are cowards. They go after the defenseless.

Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 people on a military base. Thirty others, including the shooter, were wounded and required hospitalization. As a matter of practice, Fort Hood personnel do not carry weapons on the base. Military weapons are only used for training or by base security, and personal weapons must be kept locked away by the provost marshal.

You know Hasan knew this. Do you think he would have tried to kill the military “infidels” if the base personnel had been carrying weapons? Not a chance.

It only stands to reason that citizens should be armed where there are known targets of gun violence. Consider this report from The Weekly Standard:
“David Gregory mocked the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre for proposing that armed guards be at every school in America. But the NBC host seems to have no problem with armed guards protecting his kids everyday where they attend school in Washington, D.C.”

“The Gregory children go to school with the children of President Barack Obama, according to the Washington Post. That school is the co-ed Quaker school Sidwell Friends.

“According to a scan of the school’s online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.”

Typical liberal hypocrisy; protection for me but not for thee.

  • gfsomsel

    If she is so interested in getting the lady’s opinion, why does she continually interrupt and talk over her?

    • Nana

      She has to show she is as rude as the next host!

      • gfsomsel

        I didn’t know it was a contest, but you may be correct. She also uses too much rouge. The idea is to make it look as though you don’t use any.

        • CQ

          Not any more – I see way too many women wearing so much rouge they look like they put it on without using a mirror.

    • Larry

      she was hoping to make her look stupid, it backfired!

    • davienne

      thats what the lame stream media does when their rhetoric get blown out of the water

    • big wyo

      Because she know so much more than this survivor of a mass shoting and any other person on earth.
      Tune out cnn and contact their advertisers

    • tcdesalvo

      xLiberals do not exchange values or ideals. If you disagree with them, they just talk over you, your opinion carries no weight. Watch “The View” sometime. They sound like a bunch of cackling hens when one of their opinions isn’t shared by all. Their individual opinion out weighs everyone else’s in the room.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson

    • John

      It was – now it is a matter of keeping arms manufacturers rich

      • Herkpilot

        Disagree – Americans have the unique right to defend ourselves no matter who the aggressor may be. Vet, last wars in Middle East where citizens do NOT have the right to own firearms. I like our results much more than those we see in countries that restrict gun ownership.

        • Zod

          Agreed. And thanks for your service..

        • bimota_rider98

          All tyrannical governments and oppressed peoples have ONE thing in common, an UN-armed citizenry!!!!
          Also, the 2nd Amendment does NOT mention hunting, target shooting, ammunition type or quantity, ammo capacity or any specific firearms. Why? Because, the “people” needed to be able to arm themselves to be able to REPEL a tyrannical government!!! To do that they must have the ability to own comparable armaments.

        • maryflaur

          My father was a WW1 veteran, my first husband a Korean War veteram. amd my present husband is a veteran of 23 years in the army. We owned guns all my life, unregistered, and never did hurt anyone. God gave us the right to defend our family and property, and I intent to exercise that right, whether or not the government likes it.

      • RonMar

        You are so full of the Obama Kool-Aid your eyes are deep brown, so also is the tip of your nose, and you need to wipe your cheeks and lips.

      • 2War Abn Vet

        Thanks, I needed a laugh!

        • centermass

          Really? Two wars and and airborne vet? I’d thank you for your service but I don’t think it will sink into your unpatriotic left-leaning skull. Why the hell did you serve?

          • 2War Abn Vet

            As an Army reservist I served as follows:

            1st Bde (Abn), 1st Cav Div, RVN, 1965-6
            HQ, XVIII Airborne Corps, Gulf, 1990-91
            Military Test Officer Airborne Board 1969-71, 1973-76
            Civilian Test Officer Airborne Board 1979-2003

            Who you calling left-leaning Dipwad? I may be old and disabled,but I’d put money on my ability to kick your sorry commie butt.

          • Tuci78

            Well, with all that jumping out of perfectly functioning aircraft, I shouldn’t wonder you’d be limping a little by now.

            (Joke, son, joke! I’ve got a whole branch of the family living just outside the post in Fayetteville since War Two, and none of the girls would even deign to date a “leg.”)

          • maryflaur

            Fortunately, I don’t know a single person in Texas that doesn’t own at least one gun, and some own several.

      • Larry

        I hope they get real rich…….immediately. More guns, more freedom. Less progressive liberals. less problems.

        • sonny

          I hope they get real rich….AND the people get REAL armed.

      • CQ

        Anyone with the gumption, energy and intelligence to become a manufacturer deserves to be rich.

      • John Hunter

        Good for anyone that gets rich by doing honest business

        • Catherine Alphonse

          Yea, suddenly that’s a bad thing to have a business and make money…go figure.

        • VT Patriot

          Interesting info – Ct has among strictest laws in country yet is, or was the home to:
          Remington, Winchester, Colt, Marlin, Mossberg, Ruger, Hi-Standard, Dan Wesson, Stevens, and on and on. Basically, about 85% of the firearms manufacturers were started in, or are in, or still build in CT. If they go for stricter gun laws (??) in Ct, they’ll lose half of the business still in business there. Obozo should just love that, fits in with the rest of his plans.

      • sonny

        Nope…the people STILL need arms to protect them fro a tyranical gov’t. Only a liberal would make such a stupid comment.

      • medivac

        John, you can bet that they built that, also !!
        You can also bet that they are 100% more honest than the political machine in the white house !!

      • henryknox

        It really boils down to freedom. Many Progressives believe people aren’t responsible enough to exercise the freedoms in the Constitution so they want to have gov’t force them to obey. Once we turn over our freedoms to the gov’t because some people are irresponsible we will lose them forever. It is always the case that Progressives want to punish the good guys when the bad guys are irresponsible. I don’t think Chicago is a good example for the rest of the nation. If we have gun laws like Chicago then we will have violence like they have in Chicago.

        • Catherine Alphonse

          And they want to attack the symptom and not the problem!

        • Tonto

          Righto…..just ask the English!

        • Larry Clifford

          and the progressive control BOTH parties….there is really only one party….the progressive republicrats…..yeah they posture and act like their different but they almost all want the same thing….power and the control of your money!!

          • KDanagger

            Unfortunately, many “Republicans” have not awakened to this fact yet. The two party system is a facade. It is designed to give you the illusion that you have a choice and to keep people divided and distracted. With few exceptions, the politicians in both parties answer to the same masters.
            They know if they can keep us divided, they can continue to advance their agenda.

      • LLinLa

        . . . of course, it has nothing to do with a government controlling their population’s right guaranteed by the Second Amendment of the Constitution put in place by leaders being similarly restricted by a tyrannical government in their effort to dictate what their SUBJECTS could and couldn’t do? How about when “public servants” get elected to office in the US and eventually become millionaires, celebrities and “gods” with destructive ideas? And you have the audacity to accuse businesses who sell a product(s) that millions of people WILLINGLY purchase to defend themselves and their families as being “greedy rich people?” Let’s talk Pelosi, the Clintons, Harry Reid, Feinstein,, (and you can include some Republicans if you want) and maybe you’d begin to understand that the “right to bear arms” may–one day–protect YOU AND YOUR FAMILY because of those of us who are willing to invest in our own personal security, neighbor!

      • Tricia65

        Spoken like a true liberal.

        • Tuci78

          Actually, “a true liberal” (in the sense of the word’s original usage in politics) is somebody who defends the unalienable individual rights of the human being against the infringements of politicians, bureaucrats, and other government thugs.

          The present usage – “Liberal” – was adopted by American progressives (i.e., socialists) after the first couple of decades in the 20th Century, and has been employed to characterize the diametric opposite of true liberalism.

          Like as not, you are “a true liberal,” and this “John” schmuck is just another state-worshiping “Liberal” fascist dedicated to the treatment of human beings as if we’re hive-dwelling insects.

          Big on “compassion,” ain’t he?

          But, of course, not a lick of respect for your ability or right to make decisions in your own life.

      • cyber_hackster

        Hear the popping sound yet?? No??? Pull your head from your rectal-orface….

      • hatelibs

        butt headed liberal douche…

  • Marvin

    She and many other “Hosts” interrupt because they don’t want the people to learn the truth.

  • VictorLandry

    Semi auto means one shot for each trigger pull. There is no difference, mechanically, between a semi auto hunting rifle and a semi auto “assault rifle.” The only difference is cosmetic. It just looks meaner. Why can’t the stupid media get that through their thick skulls?

    • Jim Soden

      Because they (Diane Feinstein) thinks they are EVIL (EBR – Evil Black Rifles)! If it is BLACK (hey, that’s RACIST!), has a pistol grip, and a large capacity magazine, it MUST be EVIL! Run AWAY! :-)

      • RonMar

        We could get them in pink or re-paint them to pink :).

        • Jim Soden

          LOL I’m NOT going there! ;-> Little Barry Osama-Llama-Ding-Dong is a seriously GAY, Muslim, Communist, Liberal KENYAN! Bringing PINK into this conversion would only upset the rainbow people…and I would NEVER want to OFFEND these fags, so black it is and black it stays! LOL! ;->

          • RonMar

            Okay, they come in some nice camo patterns. I was thinking about the pink ones for lady hunters and shooters.
            They could be made in lots of colors for the ladies with matching handbags for ammo and shoes or real sexy boots.

      • David Trusty

        I have 2 bolt action Mosin Nagants. Since I put pistol grips on them, are they now assault weapons?

        • gfsomsel

          I have two assault weapons—one on the end of each arm.

          • Tuci78

            It’s the guidance system between your ears that the “Liberal” fascists are really afraid of.

            The mindset of the armed citizen is their target. Not the firearms, but the kind of individual disposed to arm himself against criminal malefactors, and knowledgeable in those weapons’ natures and their uses.

            The “Liberal” fascists have never been anything but fundamentally criminal malefactors – enemies of individual human rights, social comity, and good civil order – and well they know it.

      • PreacherCruz

        CORRECTION, they think they are evil the hands of the average rube. Diane Feinstein and many others like her have concealed weapons permits! The school Obamas kids go to has 11 armed guards etc etc. WE don’t need or deserve to protect ourselves but they get protection round the clock on our dime!

    • John

      Right – they know that. We don’t need either. Get a bow and arrow if you feel the need to non-humanely kill animals. You really don’t need a gun, pickup, hide, trailer, ATV, packs of beer, GPS or any of that other BS. – You are just obsessed.

      • XX

        John, do you eat meat? Like hamburger? pork? Chicken? Then you are eating animals killed in inhumane ways and also spending their entire lives inhumanely treated. The harvest of wild animals is needed to prevent overcrowding, disease and starvation in the winter.

        • big wyo

          why cant i vote these trolls down.

        • big wyo

          john is to busy being humane and denying that his ancesters killed to eat and his offspring too.

        • RonMar

          It doesn’t matter. Vegetables weep too when they are cut, scraped, peeled and cooked.
          The problem is that the Johns do not understand, don’t even believe in God, so do not know God gave man supremacy over all other animals.
          The Johns are tree-hugging, animal-loving in the wrong ways, enviro-whacko twits.
          The John here is posting like a troll – a tool of Obama and his handlers, henchmen and women.

        • Tuci78

          Heck, if this John critter eats chicken, he’s a cannibal.

          • RonMar

            One of the funniest things I ever saw from a person like John was Pamela Anderson protesting breast enhancement of chickens by water injections for marketing purposes and more profit.

          • Tuci78

            “…Pamela Anderson protesting breast enhancement of chickens by water injections for marketing purposes….”

            Ah, I remember that. Didn’t the feathers fly over that issue?

          • RonMar

            LOL. Feathers flew. I’m believe she shaved off her feathers or had a Brazilian wax job. I’m not sure. I’ve never seen her sex vids online. For some reason feathers are not so popular anymore.

      • bmwheeler

        apparently our founders felt that we needed to be able to carry guns because they gave us the right. Bad people will always have guns despite any restrictions.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        I don’t need a gun to protect myself from you as I know you don’t have a gun & that means I can beat you at your own game. Act like a thug & attack me & I will put you in the emergency room. Leave me alone & you are perfectly safe. If a thug has a gun, that is a different story you can’t bring a fist to a gunfight unless you are an idiot. To even the fight I also need a gun & also be better trained than the thug. Since he won’t know I am armed, unless I am his first victim, the first mistake ke makes will be his last. One glance away from me or aiming at another victim, gives me all the time I need to stop him cold. Believe me in short time he would be cold! Actually I used to hunt deer with a bow & it is a very humane way to kill them. One I killed didn’t even know he was bleeding to death & continued eating grass until he ran out of blood. He fell down & was dead before I walked the twenty yards to his body. This also proves you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

        • RonMar

          The Johns never know, but for some strange reason(s) they imagine they are the smartest person in the room. Their failures and making themselves look like fools on a worldwide-available, public site or even face-to-face does not faze them, and they do not learn from their experiences. Pitiful.
          I know now more than I ever did before what the big, black guy with the bling meant on the old TV show when he said, “Pity the fool.”

      • John Hunter

        “Need”? “NEED”? Look at how often the anti-gun clan

        cry “what does he need with 3 guns”? or “why does a
        hunter need a high caliber rifle and a high capacity clip”?
        for example.

        Boy, the government loves those people. They are a

        “push over.” They will let the government deny them
        what it is that the government decides that they don’t need.
        Then in slavery under a dictatorship when election time
        rolls around they will vote for the despot all over again.

        • RonMar

          The shooters with high-capacity magazines probably are not smart enough to test fire each one of them at a range before they load ’em up and try to use them. There are lots of “after-market” high-capacity magazines available. In my experience they jam at a rate of about 2 out of every 5 or 6 that you buy.
          Some dealers will swap out the “bad” ones but not all, and forget it if you got them from a private owner, gun show or by mail.
          If you read the stories of the mass shootings jammed weapons are commonplace, thank God for stupid people.

      • RonMar

        No hunter I know takes packs of beer or other alcohol on a hunt. Cheney did shoot an old lawyer in the face after lunch with a beer or two, but hey, it was an old lawyer. He wasn’t hurt bad, probably not near as bad as he had hurt some of his clients for years. Guns and alcohol don’t mix. That’s a rule, fool.

        You likely need a pickup, hide, trailer, ATV, beer, wine or whiskey, dope, GPS and more to go to the grocery store and buy meat.

    • Granpa David

      i have a Remington 30-06 old rifle semi-auto. I am going to put fins on it, an ugly plastic stock, some big sights, and paint it black. Now I have an assault weapon. Anyone that falls for that would vote for Obama.

    • RonMar

      The media are overwhelmed with Dem Libs, now Obamaniacs, and even Conservative media do not get it right. Examples are bully O’Reilly and the immigrant with the fake name Geraldo Rivera. They have axes to grind and don’t want to get it right. They are willfully ignorant and refuse to learn.
      They like the politicians have armies of heavily-armed security protecting them.
      Be assured O’Reilly is not looking out for you but only for himself.
      Also most US media are owned by entertainment parent corporations. Think about that please. The people making obscene profits from violent movies, computer games, etc. have a conflict of interest against anything but negating the 2d Amdt and going after other “solutions” to the violence in the US. They sure are not in favor of hurting their own industry.
      Obama is largely responsible for the present violence in the US. He has caused it by setting one after another segment of our society against other segements of our society. Thus the US is not a melting pot, far from it, not divided, but rather fragmented and extremely hateful.

    • VictorLandry

      I’m disabled and would never be able to defend myself. I, also, live on the edge of a rough section of town. I would be suicidal not to have a gun and know how to use it. Before I became disabled from two strokes. I was an armed security guard.

    • John Hunter

      And the word “assault” sounds much more dangerous.
      And I think they imply by saying “assault weapon” that
      the person owning one has a definite deadly intent..

      • RonMar

        The deadliest “assualt weapon” of mass destruction in the US today is Barack Hussein Obama Barry Soetoro Davis. I would add the name of the guy from CT whose SSAN BHOBSD uses, but I don’t remember that name.
        Hmmnh, CT. Hmmnh, interesting.

  • Randy

    Reporter is incapable of comprehending the subject matter because of her inate bias.

    • John

      To the right “inate bias” is the same as “liberal media” – it means real facts and not religious BS. You people hate statistics , measurements and science.

      • RonMar

        You just belched more of the Obama Kool-Aid. Time to wipe down your face, neck and caved in chest this time.
        You people have no idea what the purposes of statistics are. You believe 4″ is 6″ or more, but your women are learning better. That makes you angrier.
        If you knew elementary school science you would reject out of hand anthropogenic global warming and the Theory, right Theory of evolution.
        Also, it looks as if you are a hopeless, Godless, Atheist faith believer.
        How sad all of that is for you.

      • Tuci78

        “You people,” is it?

        Well, la-di-“Liberal”-fascist-dah.

      • David Trusty

        It’s liberals that hate facts and statistics. Liberals can’t stand the truth.

      • PreacherCruz

        What pray tell is YOUR expertise? I am an Army war vet and I have a few things to tell you form an INFORMED perspective.

      • henryknox

        I guess you mean statistics like the violent crime in cities like Chicago where they have the strictist gun control in the nation. Statistics like violent crime dropping when right to carry laws are passed. Facts like without the second amendment there won’t be a 1st amendment for long.

      • Moose_Hunter

        The day the liberal media presents even one fact rather than a relentless stream of leftist propaganda is the day we may see a very bright star in the east.

        • kay

          The propaganda is sick alright, but the mainstream media’s real purpose is to cover-up all of Obama and co’s crimes. They are just a dishonest, outright lying bunch of traitors.

  • jd1958

    There is no such thing as a “gun show loop hole” The “loop hole” is that the government doesn’t like the idea that a private individual can sell his/her gun to another adult. Without going through the government. They can’t stand the idea that a Grandfather, father can pass a weapon down to his children without government oversight. They want to know where everyone of the guns are. So, when this data is complete then they can confisgate them. This is EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS DID IN GERMANY.

    • RonMar

      Yes, and the government also wants to collect its taxes, some of them called fees for registration, licensing, etc.

    • Big D

      Well stated and not just Nazi Germany every dictator and tyrant has done this through out history even before the gun was invented, the tyranny of tyrants removed shields and sword from the Irish and others. Excellent post jd

      • John Hunter

        That’s right. There can not be a dictatorship until the citizens guns are

    • Tuci78
      “… the government doesn’t like the idea that a private individual can sell his/her gun to another adult. Without going through the government.”

      Why, how dare you conceive that you have any such thing as private property rights!

      After we get those nasty, bad, evil, ugly bangety-bang guns away from you, we’re going to confiscate all that gold you troglodyte reactionary conservative “survivalists” have been stockpiling.

      After all, it was good enough for Saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and it’ll all be for the benefit of our one true God, the federal government (from which all benefits flow)….

      • Don Bahn

        Great satire!!

        • Tuci78
          “Great satire!!”

          I only wish it was.

          I’ve been getting “pushes” from friends in the freedom movement about the possibilities of precious metals confiscation (and grabs made upon other categories of readily alienable property items held by private investors as hedges against Federal Reserve System currency debauchment), precisely along the lines of FDR’s Executive Order 6102 and the Gold Reserve Act of 1934.

          Picture this, if you will: one Sunday morning, all fiduciary institutions providing safe deposit boxes or otherwise “secure” repositories of private assets are issued orders by the Treasury Department – or will it be the Department of Homeland Security? – that their facilities be made inaccessible to their depositors.

          A federal “inventory” of each and every safe deposit box is undertaken, and the items on the federal government’s interest list – bullion (coined or ingot), numismatic coins, investment-grade precious stones, philatelic items, that kind of stuff – are “purchased” by the inspectors so that when the vaults are opened to the depositors in a few weeks’ time (“Sorry for the inconvenience!”), there are nice, neat checks made out to each named depositor, duly recorded in that individual’s I.R.S. records as “income,” and the “barbarous relic” assets held against inflation have disappeared into the federal government’s ravenous maw.

          In 1963 – while the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 was still in force – Robert A. Heinlein published his novel, Glory Road, in which his protagonist incidentally won the Irish Sweepstakes. What happened after that?

          A little man from Internal Revenue was on my doorstep –

          Almost – He buzzed from below while I was writing to Hospitals’ Trust, Ltd.

          Presently I was telling him that I was damned if I would! I’d leave the money in Europe and they could whistle! He said mildly not to take that attitude, as I was just blowing off steam because the IRS didn’t like paying informers’ fees but would if my actions showed that I was trying to evade the tax.

          They had me boxed. I collected $140,000 and paid $103,000 to Uncle Sugar. The mild little man pointed out that it was better that way; so often people put off paying and got into trouble.

          Had I been in Europe, it would have been $140,000 in gold – but now it was $37,000 in paper – because free and sovereign Americans can’t have gold. They might start a war, or turn Communist, or something. No, I couldn’t leave the $37,000 in Europe as gold; that was illegal, too. They were very polite.

          It was a month before I realized I had forgotten the California State Income Tax. I never did sort out the red ink.

          • “gunner”

            i remember that passage you quote very well, i also remember a conversation with an i.r.s. agent, he was carrying a smith&wesson .357 magnum, he was a little bit upset when he learned i was carrying, quite legally, an m1911a1 .45, as it turned out the i.r.s. owed me money, i don’t think he was overjoyed about that either.

  • RonMar

    Liberals – Progressives since Liberal became such a dirty word – are free not to exercise their 2dt Amdt right and freedom, but they cannot be satisfied with that. They are so intolerant of others they insist on trying to impose their foolishness on others.
    I doubt they are going to be so happy when Obama goes after the other amendments in the Bill of Rights, like their freedom of speech or the right not to have soldiers quartered in their homes and taking their stuff, as hard as he is presently to negate the 2d Amdt.

    • ginger

      They already do not give a rodent’s derrier about “rights” especially the right of free speech since they are the administration’s propagand agency.

      • John

        The right to bear arms is out of date. I don’t need them and neither do most of the people I know. We are interested in peace not violence.

        • Herkpilot

          Clearly the citizens of Syria would not join your chorus. I like to reduce my odds by retaining personal liberties.

        • big wyo

          good for you exercise that right libtard

          a liberal doesn’t like guns – he demand all guns be outlawed

          a conservative doesn’t like guns – he doesn’t buy one.

          quit trying to remove my rights and start a civil w@r

          feel free to live anywhere but where my taxes support you.

        • RonMar

          Utterly ridiculous. The right to bear arms has never been needed in the US more than it does right now. I hope you have an assistant to tell you when to go in out of the rain.
          By the way, “we.” You must have a mouse or gerbil in your pocket or ….
          No one is more interested in peace than people who have served in violence. Sheesh! Some people are hopelessly arrogant and ignorant going to stupid while imagining they are brilliant.
          They are brilliant as the British use the word in insults.

        • ginger

 what do you do if someone not of your thinking decides to victimize you??? The police usually show up after the fact and get someone to identify the body.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          Tell that to the next thug that decides your daughter looks sexy & needs to raped. I think you will change your mind very quickly, especially if he decides to kill her so she can’t testify against him. You people are naive beyond belief. Nobody is protected from criminals & anyone can be a target. All you need is the thug & for you to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
          Like a Movie Theater with a sign “Gun Free Zone”!

        • John Hunter

          This is NOT the age to “beat swords into plowshares.”
          God’s WORD reveals that conditions will worsen until
          the Lord Jesus Christ returns, and that just prior to that time
          “iniquity shall abound”, that ‘ evil men and seducers will
          get worse and worse” that “the love of many shall grow
          cold” that “men shall be lovers of themselves”, etc.

          Through out history, God has dealt with mankind differently
          (in the different dispensations or economies) for the purpose

          of showing man that apart from God man will always fail.

          But man can not get it through his head that he can not bring
          in Utopia. It is asinine to disarm while trusting your bitterest
          enemy, who has sworn repeatedly that he intends to kill you,
          to disarm.

          But, everyone is free to make that choice. If they do so they do

          it at their own risk.

      • RonMar

        With an oppressive, tyrannical, despotic, evil dictator like Obama their turn to lose their rights will come. Learn about Hitler’s Germany, Lenin’s and Stalin’s Russia/Soviet Union, Mao’s China, Castro’s Cuba, etc. They start cool then heat up against their subjects like the proverbial frog in the pot of cool, then boiling water.
        Cuba has one newspaper, Granma, an 8-pager like a high school paper, and one radio-TV station. The paper reports only the party line. On the radio-TV there is no news, only droning commentaries on the news.
        Here is an abbreviated timeline of Hitler’s service to Germany:
        -After WWI Hitler mustered out as a corporal with no notable record of service.
        -8/11/1920 National Disarmament Law takes effect.
        -1/12/1922 Hitler jailed for 3 months for disturbing the peace on 9/14/1921.
        -7/1922 rampant inflation begins.
        -1/30/1933 Hitler appointed Chancellor, achieves total dictatorial power and starts attacking other countries – the beginning of WWII in Europe.
        -Goebbels took ove and managed all media in Germany for Hitler, including the burning of books.
        -4/30/1945 Hitler commits suicide with Eva Braun in the Berlin Fuehrer Bunker with some of his top aides and their families as the Russians close in on Berlin and him. One of his top aides and his wife murder their children, then do away with themselves. Hitler’s burned body is found by Russians outside the Bunker in a pile of rubble.

        • ginger

          We learned about all this in can bet they aren’t teaching it now.

          • RonMar

            I believe they are teaching it in our schools now but as a good thing.

          • ginger

            you may be right.

    • John

      No we insist on stopping your foolishness. I have no intention of killing a fellow citizen. You appear to want to have the role of judge jury and executioner. The hypocrisy of so called Christians is amazing.

      • Herkpilot

        I’m in your court! I also do not intend to kill a fellow citizen … But I will not stand by to let them kill me. You pass judgement on my position. I’ll let Saint Peter do the judging.

      • RonMar

        There you, you, you alone, are again playing with the mouse or gerbil. FYI, I have no intention of killing anyone again. This is simply insane and childish, “You appear to want to blah, blah, blah ….”
        Exactly how do you imagine you determined I am a Christian, so called or otherwise? Your hypocrisy is astoundingly ignorant going to stupid and arrogant, Godless one, Atheist faith believer.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        Then you are a coward for not protecting your family. You are a sheeple who would stand there while your wife & children are murdered. How about an illegal alien, we have at least ten million here & many are criminals that kill American Citizens every day. I’m sorry, I can’t respect your failing to protect your family. That is inexcusable. If you don’t want a firearm, that is your choice, there are less effective methods of protection, like an armed neighbor.

  • Tom Mackrola

    I think supposed news casters should know what they are talking about before interviewing their guest. If they don’t know, then they should listen so they learn. the AR 15 can be fitted to fire automatically but it is Illegal. the AK 47 is the same. that is an inappropriate use of these weapons. the better questions for these people to be asking, why are the people committing these acts not firing at the police? Are the people committing these crimes lawfully able to own a fire arm. the answers to these questions should help with the gun control debate. Like why are we letting people out of jail that have killed , and how did they get a fire arm.

    • Jim Soden

      Actually, if one obtains a Class III permit /stamp ($200 + no felonies), you can own just about any machine gun, submachine gun, fully-automatic weapon in almost all states. Federal Law permits it. Very few folks are aware of this because the leftist media lies constantly! :-) Just ask your local FFL Dealer about Class III firearms, it really IS that easy! One point…they are VERY expensive due to the limited number available for sale/re-sale. :-)

      • RonMar

        Who in the US has no felony on their record? If you don’t have one already it is only a matter of time until you do due to the mountain of laws under which we live.

        • pat

          I know hundreds of people and only one with a felony! Who are you hangin out with???

          • RonMar

            Good people, salt of the earth. Men, women and children who know they were born free and intend to stay that way, live free or die kind of thing. Are you really so naive to imagine people you know are going to tell you if they have a felony in their background?

          • OldNYFirefighter

            You must have a lot of dishonest friends!

          • John Hunter

            Then how do you know that there are so many?

          • RonMar

            The people I run with and I have been together long enough to become open and honest with each other, and we are 1) depending on each other for our very lives and 2) are old enough that no pretense is needed or wanted in our group.
            Hey, it’s not that bad, no big deal. I have been in jail only twice overnight until I could make bail, held briefly for questioning a few times, in a few confrontations with smartA police, and tried to get put into jail once.
            That was in Cuba in January 2002, and for preaching the Gospel at midnight. Being jailed in Cuba for preaching the Gospel would have been a welcome addition to my resume.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          I am over 70 & have never even had a parking ticket, but the Judge that granted my permit has a DWI on his own record. To make it worse he restricted my CCW parmit to hunting & target , so I am not allowed to CCW. Isn’t that just ducky!

          • RonMar

            The drunken judge gave you an unnecessary and unneeded permit for nothing.
            A few years ago near where I live a judge who had tried hundreds-thousands of DUI cases went to Hawaii and killed himself. His body was full of alcohol and illegal drugs.

      • Big D

        No it is really not that easy and its not just money, you are interviewed by the ATF. Sometimes multiple visits,besides the mountain of paper work

    • John

      Full auto is just a waste of ammo and a pedantic point for you to hide behind.

    • RonMar

      True, and in combat I seldom used the M-16 on full automatic. Firing it that way was usually a waste of ammunition. Selecting semi-automatic and squeezing the trigger to hit specific targets aimed at carefully was far better.

      • Tuci78

        Rule of thumb from time out of memory is that unless you’re working a crew-served weapon, after the second or third round on “full-auto” you’ve got yourself an anti-aircraft gun.

        • RonMar

          Thanks for the laugh and the memories of long ago in a distant land with exotic people.
          I got real lightweight over there due to the constant heat and diet. I never cared much for the M-16, certainly not in the jungle. I preferred the AK-47, but could not find one that wasn’t severely damaged by counterfire, napalm, white phosphorous, CBU or other bomb fragments.
          I traded some weapons and got an old Thompson .45-caliber sub-machinegun for awhile. I had to get rid of it.
          I am left handed with long guns and left-eye dominant. The Thompson would ride up and eject hot cases back into my face and down the front of my uniform shirt.
          The first time it happened I was sure I was being hit by VC/NVN fire and could not understand why I was not seriously wounded or dead, only burned rather badly. Getting any wound or burn there could be deadly due to infection.
          I got a pump .12-gauge for close work. I had a .35 S&W as a sidearm. It was near useless. I swapped it for a .45 semi-automatic.
          The day I arrived in-country one of the first ARVN I saw was in a sandbagged trench alongside the runway. He had a BAR and was having to reach up to hold it upright. I thought OMG, we need some adults with us in this mess, not kids like him.

          • Tuci78

            A friend of mine who was executive officer of a truck company during the Southeast Asian Unpleasantness got his hands on an authentic MP 40 “Schmeisser” subgun upon which he got ever-increasing offers of beaucoup bucks.

            Fodder’d with 9mm Parabellum, it was easy to keep fed as long as he coddled the box magazines he’d gotten with it.

            I’ve never heard anybody endorse the use of an SKS or an AK-47 in Vietnam firefights. From what I’ve been told, they make you sound way too much like the Other Guy.

            The thought of Arvin with a Browning Automatic Rifle (which American sergeants for some strange reason liked to hang on the smallest guy in the squad, premised on the notion that it would “build him up”) is evocative. If the M-1 carbine was invented for anybody, it was for little dudes like Arvin.

            And there’s something like a million of those carbines (and even more M-1 Garand battle rifes) IRAN’d and depot’d in South Korea awaiting repatriation to American private owners right now, except for Bubba’s Beyotch and the “policies” of our Indonesian-in-Chief.

          • RonMar

            The MP-40 sounds nice. I didn’t see any SKS, only AKs. It was ok to use them in daylight since we were usually close to each other, in sight. Not so good at night. With the green vs. red tracers you might draw a lot of “friendly” fire, even mortars, artillery or an airstrike on you. There was plenty of ammo to pick up for the AKs.
            The real advantage of the AK was the rounds would go through tree branches, take them off actually, through small tree trunks, barricades of one kind or another and the unusual cement or cinder block walls. Not so with the M-16.
            I never got an AK in good enough shape to keep and use. Others did, used them, and I did fire some on occassion, esp. if a guy who had one got hit. It was his though or someone else had dibs on it if he was evaced out of country or died.
            Obama blocking return of the M1 Carbines is the reason they are hard to find, and if you do they go for 4-figures. There are some knock-offs available, but they are not the real deal.
            Israel has lots of the M! Carbines, but they’re holding onto them. They are popular with their teachers and bus tour guards.

          • Tuci78

            I’ve never had to make use of anything chambering 5.56x45mm (or .223 Remington) “in real life.” They’re very pleasant to practice with on a firing range, but I recall when there was first noise about issuing the M-16 that they had designed the round to go unstable upon initial impact, the better to get the projectile to yaw and “tumble” so as to increase the wound ballistics Schrecklichkeit.

            I thought that was an abomination, and I’m not sure that I’ve changed my mind on the matter in the half-century and more since.

            SKS carbines (chambering the same round as the AK-47) could be picked up early in the Vietnam unWar, as they were commonly provided the Communist community organizers operating from the DMZ down to the delta before the Kalashnikovs came south. Your sojourn on the Asian Landmass was probably a bit later in the game.

            I hadn’t known that the Israelis had much in the way of M-1 or M-2 carbines in inventory, but it makes sense. The design is robust, simple, cheap, and very easy to manufacture, and the ammunition barely qualifies as more than a moderately “hot” pistol round.

            Real “cooks-and-bakers rifle,” and there’s no reason at all that it should be high-priced in the present firearms market.

            Artificial scarcity only, and isn’t that just utterly damnable?

          • RonMar

            The .223 is a high-velocity, small round as you know. I have seen near misses take off body parts or put a target down and dazed.
            I was working on a Ph.D. in Applied Violence with the University of Southeast Asia – Laos, along the “edges” of Cambodia and from the DMZ fudging a bit into North Vietnam and all the way down to the northern edge of the Mekong Delta in South Vietnam, ’65-’69.
            Ashau Valley at the point of Laos, Cambodia and South Vietnam became a frequent place to do lab classes. We had ARVN and Chinese Nung mercenaries. Same at some other camps along the border.
            When the camps were overrun – that happened a lot – the ARVN overcrowded the evac helios. The Chinese faded into the jungle. A few others and I preferred going with them. It was a lot safer and smelled better than being in a crowded helicopter.
            I want an M1 Carbine. I like .30 caliber rounds in their many varieties.The soft lead rounds do a lot of damage and take lots of tissue, arteries, veins and vessels with them.
            I still have one I took out of a neck after it went in the front, ruptured both carotid arteries, broke the cervical bone and lodged just under the skin on the back of the neck. The patient did not survive despite our best efforts to save the poor guy.

          • Tuci78

            Console yourself. With damage like that, d’you think that the guys at Cowley Shock Trauma today could’ve salvaged that case?

            Y’know, it’s guys like you who make the “Liberal” fascists wet themselves whenever they drop in on exchanges like this one.

            Keep doing it.

          • RonMar

            Oh, I’m quite at peace with myself. The memories are pleasant because I am alive to have them.
            I hope the Dem Lib Obamaniacs vomit, pukes that they are.
            You keep doing it too please.
            They will never understand or appreciate what we have done for them.

          • Tuci78
            “They will never understand or appreciate what we have done for them.”

            I don’t know about you, friend, but whatever in hell gives you to think that I did any of it for them?

          • RonMar

            You’re right, but although we were not doing it for them, they benefited from it and are unappreciative as anyone or thing can be.
            I don’t know about you either, friend, but I was doing it for my wife and one son, other loved ones at home, and for the men, women and children with me in the quagmire and other places later for 21 years.

          • Tuci78

            I was single at the time, and wasn’t particularly doing it for the folks at home (who kept enjoining me to keep my head down, not take chances, and come home safe).

            I suppose at that age and in that condition, your priorities are vested in the guys around you, their bad breath, body odor, diarrhea, jungle rot, and sticky-fingered sneaking through your pack notwithstanding.

            It’s remarkable how much you can hate the hell out of a guy and yet getting him out alive becomes more important than keeping your own hide intact. Incredibly stupid in retrospect, and I console myself with the thought that I’d never do it again.

          • RonMar


      • John Hunter

        I was never in combat, but that is perfectly understandable.
        An exception to semi-automatic would be for example, if there
        are several of the enemy very close together getting ready to

        fire at you, and you were pretty much in the open, you would
        not have time enough to aim and fire at each individual, so then

        you would sweep across them in fully automatic.

        • RonMar

          I believe I would still prefer semi-auto. The few times I used full auto was to keep heads down so others could move for whatever reason, and when we did recon by fire. Then we just sprayed the underbrush and hoped someone, anyone got hit or panicked and moved. Then they could be picked off.
          In the “excitement” of combat you can run through a 20-round magazine on full auto in one trigger pull. Some times your brain and your other body parts don’t work so well together.

          • Tuci78

            Insofar as I recall, it was the discernment of suppressive/ “reconnaissance” fire practices during the Great War that led the re-arming German military to the development of the MG 38 and its easier-to-manufacture successor, the MG 42, along with the squad tactical doctrine they employed throughout World War Two.

            While the British Army was deploying the Bren gun as their squad automatic weapon, and the American military fielded John Moses Browning’s excellent but limited BAR, the German infantry squad went into combat with a robust, flexible, high volume-of-fire “bullet hose,” making the guys with the 98K’s ammunition-haulers and security/maneuver elements.

            And then, of course, the Deutsches Heere people invented and fielded the first real “assault rifle,” the Sturmgewehr 44, cutting down their 7.92mm rifle cartridge to produce the first intermediate-power (“Kurz“) “assault weapon” round.

            Er, are all these lamestream media root weevils as historically and technologically illiterate as they cement-headedly seem?

            I mean, could anybody be that frelkin’ stupid and still remember how to breathe?

          • RonMar

            There are no standards of professional journalism in effect these days and have not been for well over half of my lifetime so far. Once upon a time the role of the media was Informing the People. There was even a basic, 1st semester journalism book by that title. “Reporters” believe today their purpose is to change the world.
            I actually saw and heard a bobble-headed, blonde twit gush that one time in response to an award she got from her peers. They give each other lots of awards like the rest of the entertainment industry does.
            Most US media are owned by entertainment parent corporations. It’s the truth.
            I admire your knowledge of weapons and the history of warfare. Your knowledge is important. Those are two things that are constants until after Jesus returns.
            Somehow Libs including media libs don’t get it. They imagine warfare and weapons will end magically only if they protest, often violently, against them. They don’t really believe in God or the Bible and are unaware or deny Cain killed Abel starting the shetwah.
            Man are they ignorant going to stupid.

          • Tuci78
            “There are no standards of professional journalism in effect these days….”

            Well, yeah, there are. They’re just not standards which you or I – products of a richer culture, higher levels of literacy, and more rigorous education – would recognize as “standards” because they deviate so gut-wrenchingly from the principles of reason and the practices of rationality to which we were expected to adhere.

            Things have just gone right into the burn barrel, and somebody forgot to add enough Diesel before torching it off.

            The guys who advised me about the practicalities of fieldcraft and things that go “bang” more than half a century ago – veterans many of them still carrying bits of Japanese and/or Chinese scrap metal here and there in their unfashionably tattooed bodies because the majority of the men in my family crossed the Pacific rather than the Atlantic in the fifth and sixth decades of the 20th Century – didn’t like to yarn about “the bad stuff” (most of which involved friends getting maimed or killed), but would talk about weapons, tactics, and the common sense lessons they wished they themselves had been taught before they’d gotten up front.

            Pestered by a generation who were being exposed to Victory at Sea and The Twentieth Century, and with not much else to talk about as they walked us through the woods pretending to hunt, or feeding the skeeters while pretending to fish, they taught us a little bit – carefully sanitized, I later learned – about what they’d experienced while we’d been running around in our Buster Browns.

            And there were a few guys who’d had to deal with the Wehrmacht. I had one uncle in the 28th “Bloody Bucket” PANG Division through the Huertgen Forest, the Ardennes, and everything else, and another who NCO’d Ordinance Corps chores all the way up the length of not-so-sunny Italy.

            You don’t hang around with guys like that and not learn something about the military, especially if you realize from the age of six or seven that – like everybody else in your town – you’re almost certainly going to be getting drafted or enlisting for a couple or four years as soon as you finish high school.

            So though we’d had nobody of that generation in the Marine Corps, the Fleet Marine Force “lessons learned” – including stealing one or even two extra Browning Automatic Rifles to unofficially divide each rifle squad into two or three fire-and-maneuver elements, the “fire team” – got hearty endorsement from the men who’d had to soldier on New Guinea and in the Philippines, and who’d been looking at Kyushu and the Kanto Plain when Truman decided to donate some fissile whoopee to support the Emperor’s peace plans.

            Did you know that by early 1945, the ordinance and maintenance people in 1st Infantry Division had salvaged enough “unrepairable” M-4 medium tanks – 17 of them – to get them running, fueled, armed, and organized as an unofficial tank company that the division could allocate “off the books” to operations, crewed as much by guess and by God as anything else the Big Red One ever did?

            Every other outfit in the E.T.O. did something like that, to some extent or other, and Army Ground Forces doctrine be damned.

            Sort of set the template for what we knew we were supposed to get away with in Indochina, didn’t it?

          • RonMar

            Yes, “improvise, adapt, overcome and don’t get killed in the process.”

          • Tuci78

            Uh, it wasn’t so high-minded. More like “Ooh, neat! Nobody’s looking!”

            Forget about hot stoves. We would’ve stolen molten reactor cores if there had been any in-country.

          • RonMar

            Usually I was not in any position or disposition to carry anything not absolutely essential at that moment to my survival.

          • Tuci78

            Aw, c’mon. I shouldn’t have to tell you – of all people – how it works.

            (1) Convey the potentially useful movable item (even if it requires heavy lift to shift it) into a place of concealment (often “in plain sight”) where it credibly might have simply “wandered off.”

            (2) Scout the market for those with goods and services they’re willing to exchange, and with which you can satisfy your own compatriots’ primary or secondary needs.

            (3) Broker the deal.

            (4) Wear gloves and maintain a solid alibi. (“Sir? I wasn’t anywhere near that part of the base over the past couple of days. Just ask Sergeant Kwiatkowski.”)

            It was when I read Heller’s Catch-22 (1961) and got the character of Milo Minderbinder egregiously shoved in my nose I realized that setting aside the satirical anti-entrepreneurial hype so typical among lefties like Heller, there was a laudable (though purposefully and duplicitously distorted) example of how with application, ingenuity, and cover-your-tochus caution, a guy could exploit the military bureaucracy that so ruthlessly fed upon the average serviceman, not only to better accomplish the mission but improve levels of safety and comfort among the people at the sharp and fecal-dipped end of the punji stick.

            Also, you do well to cultivate a dumb expression and avoid getting a reputation for intelligence.

            Fortunately, the old Sicilian-American expression “What could I tell you?” (exploited so adroitly by Jimmy Breslin in The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight [1969]) works marvelous well in its variations, especially as officers and gentlemen truly want to believe that the enlisted swine aren’t even capable of animal cunning.

          • RonMar

            Instructions for larceny, well known among those skilled in the art of logistics known as Midnight Requisiton.
            Usually when in base camp I was truly on R&R and too tired to steal or trade much.
            Yosarian and Major Major Major are my favorite characters from Catch-22. I admire Yosarian’s editing skills while in hospital required to censor letters on their way stateside in the mail system – a slow boat across the Atlantic.
            Major Major had consummate avoidance of duties and responsibilty talent, superior even to the current occupier of our WH.
            My darling wife mailed a large box of Dark Chocolate Homemade Fudge to me during the career opportunity years. By the time it arrived in my hands it was a solid block with a gray pallor, but by close examination I could tell it had been cut into neat squares once upon a time.
            Sharing it with the fellas, we used our K-bar knives and an entrenching tool, rifle butt or a rock to cut off chunks of the sugar block. One dared not bite into it. Letting it dissolve for a long time in ones mouth was the only way to consume it safely.

    • RonMar

      The dullard troll is so excited and out of control s/he imagines you posted about firing the M-16 in combat on semi-automatic most of the time. LOL.

  • milootoole

    When observing the newswoman, she clearly disagreed with some of what Ms Hupp had to say. Her facial expressions, to me, said , “I know different and you will never change my mind”.

    I needn’t address the issue. If you want someone else’s opinion, let them say it.

    • ginger

      She asks a questions, says she wants info but disagrees with the answer so goes to another question when the answer isn’t what she wants to hear….she is a typical left-wing idiot. News??? not so much.

      • John

        You are the idiots for believing in a god and then having to carry a gun to protect you. Hypocrisy in action.

        • Larry

          Take a quick look at Psalm 14-verse 1..

        • Jeff Miller

          That sounds almost as irrational as believing that government and laws can protect you.

          • RonMar

            Yep, when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

          • OldNYFirefighter


          • RonMar

            All the time unless one or more are with you as was apparently the case with the firefighters who came under gunfire in NY yesterday, was it? I expect we are going to see a lot more of that.

        • Herkpilot

          We share this walk through life with many other people and our God has given all of us free will. I do not advocate laws that insist you arm yourself, but if you find yourself in the line of fire of someone who follows Lucifer, you’ll thank your lucky stars if I’m there to save your life.

        • bmwheeler

          John, many of those teachers in Connecticut believed in God but they surely needed a gun for the protection of themselves and those innocent children who also believed in God. God gives wisdom and he expects us to use it to protect ourselves.

        • RonMar

          As the creator of all things, God gave us guns to protect ourselves and people like you who are too cowardly to protect yourselves or others. I suppose you plan to call on your little god when some lunatic shoves a loaded, cocked weapon in your face or the face of someone with you and starts squeezing the trigger.

        • ginger

          God is not the is people like you…will pray for you.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          I believe in God, but I wouldn’t lie on the middle line of I-95 either, but I wouldn’t put it past a Liberal. It sounds like you are the only idiot for not wanting to protect yourself & family.

          • Tuci78

            “It sounds like you are the only idiot for not wanting to protect yourself & family.”

            Now, now. In the words of SF writers Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven:

            “Think of it as evolution in action”

  • PFG

    Machine guns have not been illegal since the thirties. The unconstitutional National Fire Arms Act of 1934 required a tax & registration of such weapons. In 1980 they decided to no longer collect
    the tax thereby making them illegal without proper jurisprudence & rule of law for machine guns made after 1980. Entirely unconstitutional.

    The truth of the Second Amendment.

    “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

    By “well regulated” they mean regulation firearms, military grade. By “free state” they are not inferring that the states governing body needs protection from itself, but that the people have the right to protect themselves from a tyrannical governing body. The right of the people” and “shall not be infringed” I believe are obvious to all.

    The Tenth Amendment sums it up: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    This not only attests to the right of the people to keep and bear arms by observing that the United States does not have the power to strip a citizen of their inherent right to keep and bear arms, but also reiterates that it is prohibited for the United States and the States to do so. Reaffirming that the right is reserved by the people.

    On a final note the Fourteenth Amendment was never properly ratified. But rather it was forced upon the State especially the Southern States.

    How about new Jim Crow laws for all the black on White crime & 1935 Nuremberg laws to get rid
    of the Roth family controlled Federal Reserve.

    • John

      Where does it say “gun” anywhere?

      • Jeff Miller

        “Arms,” bozo. Who are you, Larry the Cable Guy?

      • RonMar

        Dem Lib Obamaniac Troll alert. By definition this person is a danger to himself and others, like Britney Spears and other recent Gollywood gals, to be taken, evaluated and treated by psychiatrists, released back into society if ever, only under community control to be sure he stays “well” and takes his meds as scheduled.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        It says arms. Arms are = knives, swords, arrows & bows, axes & any other ARMS, of which is guns – firearms. Guns-firearms of all types are ARMS!

      • PFG

        Where does what? Say “gun” anywhere?

    • Jeff Miller

      “Well-regulated” means well-equipped and well-trained. The US Code defines 2 catagories of militia: 1. Organized miliitia (members of National guards) and 2. Unorganized militia, which is every man between 17 and 45. They are all expected to own their own weapons and know how to use them. Look it up. It’s still the law. If you don’t own guns and know how to use them, you are not doing your patriotic duty under current law. We should remove the “loophole” that leaves it up to you to comply.

      • PFG

        “Well regulated” does not mean infringed upon as they like. It means regulation as in all the same, as in military grade. As in regulation football or baseball equipment. U.S. code circa 08/31/99 kind of beats around the bush. Bill of Rights ratified, including the 2nd Amendment 12/15/1791

        “On every question of construction, [let us] carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, & instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson.

        The 2nd amendment was put in place to protect the people from a tyranical government such as Britain or the then unforseen but invisioned Communist globalist block now forming inside our own doorstep.

      • PFG

        U.S. Code circa 1999 & it beats around the bush. The bill of Rights was ratified 12/15/1791. Sandy Hook took place one day before it’s anniversary 12/14/2012. I think the commies Through MK Ultra had a message.

        “On every question of construction, [let us] carry ourselves back to the time when the
        Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, & instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson.

        The constant debate / assault on the 2nd amendment & the Bill of Rights is the assault ban that’s needed.

    • Tuci78

      Writer L. Neil Smith observed some time ago that the Bill of Rights needs an enforcement clause. He proposed the following amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

      Any official, appointed or elected, at any level of government, who attempts, through legislative act or other means, to nullify, evade, or avoid the provisions of the first ten amendments to this Constitution, or of the Thirteenth Amendment, shall be summarily removed from office, and, upon conviction, deprived of all pay and benefits including pension, and sentenced to imprisonment for life.

      Mr. Smith still thinks he should’ve worked in a death penalty, and I’ve got to admit that I’m of common mind with him on that.

      It’s got to cost the bastiches something.

  • CheeseandRice

    There is one piece of the pro-gun argument that many leave out of their testimony, and that is the right granted to Americans to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. And that is the most important part of the whole argument.
    When these “know-it-all” marxist MSM commentators blow and go with the argument that common Americans don’t need “assault” weapons, what they should be told is ” Oh, yes! We should be able to access any weapon available to our military”. “If we are to defend ourselves from tyranny, then we should be armed no less than the military”. That action alone would stop any government in this country from being tyrannical to start with.
    If the truth were known, I would wager that the only reason the globalists haven’t enslaved us more and taken more of our freedoms is because they know that millions of Americans own millions of guns and billions of rounds of ammo. The only way the globalists will ever competely take the last of our freedoms is to pick up our guns. And so far, no one has been willing to try to do that. Cops would quit before putting their lives on the line trying to confiscate our guns.
    Anti-gunners are the commie’s useful idiots.

    • John

      No we have a tyrannical gun owner population that has failed to self regulate.

      • RonMar

        That is another lie you tell yourself first.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        I have never even had a parking ticket, can you say that. No driving violations & have been driving since I was 16. I am a non drinker (my choice) Have been a Volunteer Firefighter for over 50 years, how about you? What have you done to help your neighbors? I also have more guns than you do toes, & mine have never harmed a human. You don’t like firearms -don’t buy any, but don’t tell me to turn mine in, as your right does not overrule my rights. Why don’t you name one of these shooters that had a legal weapon!

  • Michael Murray

    Why publicize the SOB’s name. NO killer should EVER be made into a celebrity, even for one day. It adds to the incentive for others to copy cat the event.

    • RonMar

      How is it that you imagine you or anyone else knows “the SOB’s name?” The investigation is not near complete. “State police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance said it is too soon to draw any conclusions. A final report on the investigation could be months away.”
      There is no evidence of eyewitness testimony or security camera video positively identifying the young man as the actual shooter. Early news reports said a man in black camo clothes was interviewed by law enforcement and released. There has been no further word about that man or his whereabouts. The man simply disappeared from the news stories and in fact.
      There are other discrepancies in what weapon(s) were used or found when, where and by whom, on whom. Initial and persistent reports were of an AR-15 rifle used in the school on the kids, teachers and administrators with multiple shots most to the heads of the victims, two handguns – a Glock and SigSauer – one of them used by the young man to commit suicide, and a shotgun in the car outside. Now that narrative has changed a lot.
      Remember please OJ Simpson was found not guilty at criminal trial but responsible in a civil trial, and recently a murderer confessed to being the real killer of Nicole Simpson and the waiter who just happened to show up at her home at the wrong time.
      Recent mass shootings, all in Blue States, have escalated to the horror of 20 children and seven adults shot to death by some shooter(s) in Newtown, CT. Two of the alleged shooters’ fathers, estranged or not, have been on the verge of testifying in a major financial case according to news reports and posters here.
      Obama is the Time ragazine Man of the Year and most evil person in the world today.
      Obama has a well-established record of lurching from one crisis to another without any real answers to the crises, e.g., Fast & Furious and Benghazi, due to his cover-ups, frustration of independent investigations and obfuscation of facts.
      Obama is taking advantage of this horrible crisis to negate or at best erode the 2d Amdt. At the same time several other parts of the Bill of Rights for all Americans are being violated. Clearly the US is no longer a nation of rule and law under the US Constitution.
      It is time either 1) to surrender to the oppression, tyranny, despotism and evil of Obama and his regime or 2) to remove him and his regime by legal means, of course, from our government of, by and for the people.
      A primary purpose of the 2d Amdt is to do exactly that – remove an oppressive, tyrannical, despotic, evil person and his regime.
      I respectfully suggest everyone focus on that, not chase rabbits or run Forward like lemmings ahead of Obama, pushed by his distractions and creation of one crisis after another.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        I have been thinking the same thing. Too many coincidences & all similar instances. Could they be a continuation of fast & Furious or of the Benghazi conspiracy that is still unfolding? Obama told Sara Brady he was working on gun control, but under the radar.

        • RonMar

          Obama is transparent to those like you who pay attention to what he says. It also helps to learn Obamaspeak. He seems to take delight in telling people what he is going to do to them, then doing it.

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    Hmmm…If the AR15 is a ‘battlefield’ weapon, just like the musket was the ‘battlefield weapon’ in 1775, then that is THE reason to own one or two today. Thomas Jefferson would second that thought.

    • RonMar

      Yes. In keeping with the 2d Amdt citzens have a right to be armed with anything law enforcement or our military have, and I do mean anything.
      Citizens with air rifles and cork popguns cannot meet the primary purpose for which the 2d Amdt was written.
      On top of that, please remember Obama wants a civilian army equal to the US military in funding, strength and capability, and he is pursuing that goal by diminishing the US military and quietly building his army.
      Obama and his handlers, the henchmen and women in his oppressive, tyrannical, despotic, evil regime must imagine we are ignorant going to stupid. They have lots of good reasons to imagine that. Those who vote for and support him are, and they are also mentally ill, dangers to themselves and others.

      • big wyo

        There was a post on a conservative sight not too long ago with pictures of the first graduating class of this civilian army.
        can you say Heil obummer

        • RonMar

          That was the first class of graduates from DHIS Napolitano’s training school. DHIS=Department of Homeland InSecurity.

          • Tuci78

            I prefer their proper “Liberal” fascist name:

            Das Heimatsicherheitsdienst

          • RonMar

            That’s too much like Homeland Security :).

          • Tuci78

            Well, considering that since they enacted Obamacare over the enraged opposition of a majority of their own core constituencies, it’s proven now that there’s nothing “democratic” about the Blue Faction.

            So since 2010 I’ve been calling ’em the National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP).

            A nice Nazi name for the “security state” goon squad seemed to be in order, no?

          • RonMar

            Nazi it is, which is interesting because they are Communists at the same time. I suppose a dictator is a dictator no matter how s/he is labeled.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          If the TSA is part of his army, they have a big problem as my grand daughter can kick the butt of most of the losers I see in the TSA.

    • John Hunter

      And God would not frown on it. Jesus commanded His
      disciples to arm themselves. And He also said that “a
      strong man keepeth his house.” And St Paul said that
      a man that does not provide for his family is worse than
      an infidel.” And being able to physically protect them is
      a part of “providing” for them.

  • John

    No – Sidwell needs protection from the crazy right who foment hatred of the left. I have lost count of the hundreds of posts on these right wing sites advocating the death of the president. You just want to defelct attention from the statistical reality that is more guns means more deaths.

    • Herkpilot

      Actually statistic reveal countries with heavily armed citizenry have fewer deaths by firearms.

      • Tuci78

        Yep. Social scientists who have analyzed crime statistics hoping to gain support for victim disarmament in the “gun violence” issue have been shocked to discover that there is a strong correlation between firearms ownership (and concealed carry) by private citizens and decreases in violent crime – including firearms deaths.

        People who are knowledgeable about firearms (even when their right to keep and bear arms is infringed by measures such as these idiot “Gun-Free Target Zones”) tend also to be safer in threat situations than the Eloi whom our left-luzer politicians, bureaucrats, and lamestream media want Americans to be.

        Forewarned is forearmed.

    • RonMar

      That must explain why all of the recent mass shootings have been done in Blue States by Obama voters and supporters.
      If you have ever really seen a threat against the pretend president on one of the sites please copy, past and post it here with the name of the person who posted it, the date of the post and identifying information for the site.
      “Defelct” shows what a sloppy poster and person you are with little to no regard for others or site posting guidelines.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      I will call you an absolute liar & prove me wrong. Every state that has enacted CCW laws has had a decrease in crime – there is the statistics for you. The FBI has finally said guns in the hands of citizens deters crime. The crime rate here is 466 crimes / 100,000 of population. The crime rate in the UK is 2034 crimes / 100,000 of population. That is a crime rate almost 5 times higher than in the USA & these figures are from 2011. The UK has about 60,000,000 population & the USA has over 300,000,000 population & we still have a lower crime rate & they have outlawed guns for their citizens. The crime rate has been decreasing every year for the last 6 years. There are your facts & statistics. I have seen very few people that have said they wanted to kill the president, but I have seen dozens & dozens calling for the death of NRA members & Republicans & they were by Liberals & Progressives, with a few anarchists thrown in.
      I hate the presidents Marxist Ideology & want him removed, but not killed. He needs jail time for treasonous actions against the Constitution & Citizens.

  • Barb

    This needs to go to every liberal that is for taking guns from people who need to have them for their protection… this is a great article.

  • mogul264

    The mantra of the liberal: We CAN’T let YOU have weapons, someone might get hurt! SEE what has happened, ALREADY! Oh, just disregard what i do for MY family, that’ is NO matter of yours! “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”

    • Tuci78

      “We CAN’T let YOU have weapons, someone might get hurt!”

      Nah. The real concern of the “Liberal” is:

      (1) Us progressives want to do things to law-abiding American citizens that we know is gonna make those law-abiding citizens want to shoot us.

      (2) Therefore we gotta make sure that law-abiding American citizens are disarmed and helpless.

      Ain’t much more than that. Ain’t never been anything other.

      • mogul264

        I was estimating what libtards would say, how they would phrase it, you’re more into what they mean! We’re BOTH right!

  • XX

    CNN wanted to have her on to hear her perspective, then would not allow her to speak and give it. This woman paid two parents for her right to speak, have the decency and respect to let her speak.

  • Diane Logan

    I have no fear of a person who owns a gun. I fear most the government who would deny me the right to defend myself against those who would use ANY weapon in an attempt to harm or kill me or mine. Most of my neighbors, me as well, have weapons in their homes and some even concealed carry permits and yet in over 15 years since I moved here there has not been one single murder in a home. Why is that? Maybe because the culprit cannot be sure he would not be greeted by a citizen with the right to own a weapon and would not hesitate to use it to defend himself and family…a second amendment RIGHT.

  • a_goodtarheel1

    David Gregory’s two daughters go to Sidwell Friends in DC. There are 11 armed gaurds there at all times. That is in addition to the Secret Service because the Obama girls go there as well. To hell with anyone else’s children being protected.

  • Jeff Miller

    I don’t think Dr. Hupp handled that assault weapon issue well. Both James Holmes and Adam Lanza used semi-automatic assault rifles capable of getting rounds off with each trigger-pull, much faster than, say, with a bolt action hunting rifle. What she should have said is that if the bad guys might have one, good guys need them too in order to protect themselves and the people around them. Banning them would only take them out of the hands of the good guys.

    • Tuci78

      Schmucklet, to the extent Adam Lanza used a long arm of any kind, it was to weight down the back of his car. That “semi-automatic” intermediate-power rifle never discharged a round because it never left the trunk of his vehicle.

      All the killing in that “Gun-Free Victim Zone” was done with a couple of semiautomatic handguns chambering 9mm Parabellum.

      You’re an idiot.

      Shut up and go away.

  • Roscoe Bonnifitucci

    God Bless Suzanna Hupp. She is a heroine and her comments will come to save many lives in years to come. The Leftist Liberal Media Hostess, in spite of her denials, is indeed forming cultural anti-gun bias through her obvious ignorance of 1. our Constitution, 2. firearms and 3. our rights to protect ourselves and family.

    The CNN reporter goes on to take the same combative and condescending tone and tenor as our Marxist president, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and other Libtard Hypocrites who believe that they have a right to carry AR-15’s, Glocks and .45 ACP’s….but not we the American people. Liberals are Intolerant Hypocrites, Haters and Liars due to the evil nature of Big Government Socialism.

    The facts is the only thing that stops a evil person with a gun is a good person with same.

    Time for Liberals to learn the truth that the lawless, insane and marauder are always armed with intent to harm. They walk among us seeking mayhem. Just the facts and Common Sense. May God protect His servant Suzanna Hupp.

  • David Brewbaker

    The pleutocracy must be guarded as the peons only deserve detention camps without charges or trial for indefinate inprisonment.

  • jb80538

    In a battle of wits, Suzanna is dealing with an unarmed person.

  • Sarg

    All Patriots Are Obligated to Be Armed and Ready

    “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has
    justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic.”
    –Joseph Story

  • Ballistic45

    This is about using the School shooting as a reason to further ban availability of weapons to law abiding citizens.. YET, Obama sends his kids to a school which has 11, yes, ELEVEN Guards.. Oh, Yeah he is President that’s why… BS… My kids, your kids, all deserve protection just as much as Obama’s kids.. It is another case of ‘Do as I say, Not as I do’.. Obama and his lemmings would disarm us but not themselves or the protectors we pay for to insure their safety… Look at the most disarmed nations of the world, you will not find one that has an elite ruling class not protected by guns… They deny self protection to others while demanding protection for themselves… The second amendment is not about hunting, skeet shooting, target practice or gun collecting.. It is about citizens RIGHT to meet force with equal force to protect self, family, community from criminals and enemies foreign and domestic… It says nothing about what kind of weapons allowed or banned… When it was written, Everyday Americans had equivalent weapons with those criminals and governments including that of the British Military that would do them harm.. I’m sure the founding fathers intended that to be so, even today, to have a fighting chance against well armed criminals and a Tyrannical Government… And right now the biggest threat to this RIGHT is our own government who set up Killing Fields called ‘Gun Free Zones’ to assure mass killings will happen so that they can Exploit those same killings as verification for the need to again reduce gun rights… You never see Mass Murderers attacking a well armed camp…. WHY? Think about it…..

  • Ballistic45

    I would ask all gun-grabbers how many times they may have been targeted for rape, robbery, beat down and was passed over because the criminal questioned whether YOU were armed or not ? Of course you cannot know that.. But even if it was only once, then the Right to Conceal Carry benefited YOU personally, no matter your view… Ban weapons and you increase the danger not only for others but yourself even if you never owned a gun…

  • Jude O’Connor

    Why is it she asked the survivor for her views then interrupts her as she is explaining her views? This happens a lot on these interviews when they won’t shut up and let the person speak.

    • Tuci78

      Well, it happens when the interviewee is somebody who’s speaking with eloquence, authority, and conviction on points that the lamestream media root weevil desperately doesn’t want advanced.

      “Shut up, shut up, shut up!”

  • Greg T Beaty

    The so called assault weapon that Americans can own today are not even close to a military or police grade weapon. The assault weapon can only fire one shot per trigger pull whereas the military weapon fires until the trigger is released, a huge difference. The media needs to tell the truth for once and define the difference. Each time we allow the US government to restrict anything it becomes just one more liberty taken. Do not give them this control it will not help anything. Please name one thing that government does well besides waste money and make stupid decisions for Americans.

  • medivac

    I have followed the course of Dr. Suzanna Hupp’s political career since the Luby’s shooting and would defend her statements til death !! She has been there and done that and knows what she is talking about.

  • vet

    This is why people still today don’t understand the meaning of machine gun versus semi automatic.Take every reporter to the range and show them the difference.Then maybe they would get it.I don’t care if they have 100 round clips they can only be fired one at a time.If what they want is to ban large clips then what stops a person from dropping a ten round clip and putting another in within 2 seconds?It still is one shot at a time.You can’t fix stupid.

  • Manuel Yates

    News anchor chic got schooled!

  • Dennis Smith

    Well Feinstein got a bill on the floor that will make simi auto, in same group as fully auto. God help us, hope the congress vote her bill down. Or we will be in a hurting once we use it to protect us or our love ones. Tyrants are at our door, times are not good. Hope we can last 4 years with our rights intacted.

  • Martha Sparkman

    I love it when people ask if pro-gunners can guarantee 100% that armed citizens will stop mass shootings. How about asking these idiots if they can 100% guarantee that their anti-gun laws will stop criminals/nutcases from shooting up innocent people.

    • Arizona_Don

      I and others have been saying for many years now, it is impossible to reason with an unreasonable person. That is fact, the liberals progressives are unreasonable!

  • Jeff Brodhead

    The United States of America has been deemed to be a battlefield by “our” government!

  • Moose_Hunter

    The media’s ignorance of firearms is stunning. I could list every misconception this anchor babe presented about “assualt weapons”, military weapons as opposed to civiilain semi-autos, high cap mags, and a host of other points, but why even go there? The leftists will never get it. The really believe that if you eliminate the instrument the bad guys will stop playing the music. They can’t even connect the dots between the futility of gun control laws in preventing violent assaults and the fact that the only ones penalized by gun control are the law-abiding gun owners. Criitical thinking is not available to the liberal brain. If you want to become a billionaire, invent a cure for stupid, You might even save the planet. LOL!

  • wminaz

    I like the fact that Americans are actually waking up to the fact that gun laws absolutely do not work ! If we give up our guns some day when we try to get them back we will be reduced to throwing rocks in the streets as we see in third world countries.

    • Arizona_Don

      I hope they are!!!

  • Frank A McCafferty

    The American left mentality shouldn’t surprise anyone. They after all worship Mao, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, all the other despotic politicians, unions, elite that would disarm the populace and implement for all that oppose their agenda, Chilean and other South American governments that implemented “gun control” and re-educated or murdered those that love their freedom.

    • Arizona_Don

      I suspect you are right. I do not however, understand that mind set unless it is just ignorance. Those folks you mention were murderers. Very bad murderers and during their reign of terror managed to murder over 170 MILLION people.

  • UsaFlagflyn Gal

    Leave the F’n guns alone and go after the CRAZIES. Liberals want to abort babies and will spend money to do so, but won’t spend ANY on houseing, treating or testing the metally ill. Throw them in prison. WRONG! When the prisons get too full, they get paroled to the streets. Parents shelter troubled children and they grow to take out their pent up hate on the defenseless. When will this DUMBED Society of ours pull their heads out of their butts and demand MENTAL Health Improvements.

  • UsaFlagflyn Gal

    HEY, America! Stop with your hands out for all the FREEBIES paid for by taxpayers. We need to impliment Mental Healthcare in this Country. That’s where taxpayer money should be spent, not on a bunch of freeloaders.

  • Tricia65

    They are not clips, they are magazines!!!!

    • Tuci78

      Well, they’re clips if you’re loading an M-1 Garand. The magazine is a fixed component of the rifle.

      But, yeah, I get it. The confused wool are just painfully stupid, aren’t they?

  • Manuel

    The interview would have been interesting if the interviewer would have know what she was presenting and allowed the interviewee to present her case. But like most media now days the idea is to present a subject (most time they haven’t researched) that shocks people to increase their ratings. Even if it means insulting their guests. Reason why I do not watch any of these programs. They do not even have entertainment value.

  • Tonto

    The point missed here is that the most important aspect of having an armed population is to defend that population’s liberty and freedom from it’s own government. The fact that an armed population is more polite and crime free is an added benefit.

    • dHb

      Bingo Tonto, that is 100% correct! You are a patriot!

    • Arizona_Don

      You are correct kemo-savvy. With that in mind can we expect an expanding and controlling government to support any move to keep guns legal or not restricting them out of useful existence. I suspect not.

  • tenndoug911

    Typical Moron talking head. Her expert info on guns comes from Christine Amanpour. A leftist liar.

  • dHb

    Gun control is not about guns, it is about control.

    “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in
    awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief
    would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”

    Thomas Paine

  • Arizona_Don

    Quoting a survey taken based on misinformation is not a credible survey. Dr Suzanne Hupp is correct in her analogy. For some reason we now use surveys to make a point. However, surveys are not credible in most if not all cases. For every positive survey supporting more gun control other surveys can be quoted to support the opposite point of view. It is extremely easy to word a survey to get the desired reply. This fact alone renders them unreliable and irreverent.

    Assault weapons are rapid fire weapons. Semi-automatic weapons are not rapid fire unless they allow going from semi-automatic mode to fully automatic mode with a flip of a lever or mechanical switch. People who are unfamiliar with the proper terminology cannot intelligently evaluate the situation. Reporters for the media who have absolutely no knowledge regarding a subject cannot intelligently argue its attributes or problems. If those considering themselves “news” outlets would just report the news and stop trying to sway people to support their point of view this country would be much better off.

    • Tuci78
      “For every positive survey supporting more gun control other surveys can be quoted to support the opposite point of view.”

      Depends on what you survey – and who you screen to qualify as participants – as well as how you word the survey.

      The time-honored term for purposeful duplicity in the selection of respondents is known as “cherry-picking,” and the exponents of victim disarmament have shown their expertise (and glaring dishonesty) in such “survey” bullpuckey for generations.

      You don’t have to see their lips moving to know that they’re lying. If they’re not drugged, drunken, or concussed out of their gourds, they’re scheming to diddle you.

      • Arizona_Don

        I appreciate your reply to my statement. I do believe my inference was that surveys could be manipulated for the sake of making a point with the hope that by quoting it that would provide some authentication to the statement. I do not think that it does. However, the media, it seems all media, is using that very form of attempting to falsely support their claims. It doesn’t prove anything, at least to the really informed, when it is known it can be controlled. Consequently, I suspect we made the same point to some degree. Thank you for your supporting statement. Seems we were both right. Personally I am offended that these media outlets, for some reason, think the public is so stupid they will fall for this charade.

    • Tuci78
      “Assault weapons are rapid fire weapons. Semi-automatic weapons are not rapid fire unless they allow going from semi-automatic mode to fully automatic mode with a flip of a lever or mechanical switch.”

      Let’s amend that to get it accurately.

      Assault rifles are selective-fire weapons, which are capable of either semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull) or fully-automatic fire. Some models have a three-round “burst” capability, a design feature incorporated after combat experience had demonstrated that unrestricted fully-automatic use was commonly wasteful of ammunition and wildly inaccurate.

      Assault rifles were developed to chamber shorter (“Kurz”) versions of standard battle rifle cartridges, which are designed for engaging targets at longer ranges. The semiautomatic American M-1 Garand and the derivative selective-fire M-14 are examples of battle rifles. So are the bolt-action M-1903 Springfield, the German 98K, and the British Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE).

      Battle rifle cartridges were found to be among the best options for hunting intermediate-sized and large game animals, particularly deer and elk. Most hunting rifles in America today are chambered to fire the century-old .30-06 round developed for the M-1903 Springfield rifle, or the somewhat more modern .308 Winchester.

      Other hand-held fully automatic weapons include machine pistols like the Thompson submachine gun, the Israeli Uzi series, the German MP 40 “Schmeisser,” and the like. These weapons chamber pistol ammunition, which does not have the range and stopping power of rifle ammunition, even the intermediate-power cartridges designed for assault rifles.

      Most later-model machine pistols (submachine guns) are equipped with “burst” options to restrict automatic fire to three rounds per trigger pull, but pistol ammunition is still primarily considered reliable only for close-range combat.

      The idea behind making intermediate-power rifle ammunition is not only to reduce recoil in fully-automatic fire but also to reduce the weight a soldier has to carry and/or increasing the number of rounds he can carry, while still enabling him to engage targets within the practical range of infantry action.

      Snipers and other marksmen still use longarms chambered for battle rifle ammunition when they’re engaging targets at long ranges.

      (Highly specialized very long-range single-shot rifles chambering ammunition like the large .50 caliber cartridge developed by John Moses Browning for his M2 heavy machine gun have been devised for use by snipers, but their weight tends to make these weapons impractical for use by most infantrymen. Their deployment is therefore limited.)

      This isn’t exactly rocket science.

      • Arizona_Don

        I agree with what you say I was just trying to keep it simple. I have learned when I get to precise people ignore it.

        • Rich Matarese
          “I was just trying to keep it simple. I have learned when I get too precise people ignore it.”

          The kind of people who will ignore something if (or because) they’ve alleged that you’d gotten “too precise” were going to ignore it anyway.

          They’re lying sons of dogs, “Which the same I would rise to explain.”

          You should always be prepared to maintain factual accuracy, treat their willful ignorance as proof of their intrinsic intellectual dishonesty, and boot them squarely in the cojones at every opportunity.

          They won’t use their brains. Appeal to their lower centers of sensibility.

          You won’t be overestimating them.

          Note: I seem to have logged in without my nick. I’m “Tuci78,” all right.

  • Richard Engebretsen

    Suzanna Hupp is an outstanding citizen. For all she went through, her common sense and understanding of the misguided media driven “gun control” backlash is correct and should be expanded in all media outlets. She “gets it” as well as the purpose of the 2nd amendment, which is not a hunting, sporting amendment. The more the government pushes for greater control of our lives, finances and choices, the more they push to end private gun ownership. These horrendous murders just fuel their hype to disarm the righteous American citizen. Why have the politicians and judges of this radical left agenda keep releasing nuts and criminals back into the public? Just like the lunatic in NY who shot firemen, burned his house, hated his sister………was in prison for 17 yrs for killing a grandmother. You mean to tell me……..the “officials” found this guy normal and fit to return to the streets? This is the real problem…….the socialist/left wing politicians use the deviants in society to steal our money and inflict us with these kind of threats, then try to disarm us………they are the enemy.

  • Larry Clifford

    There should be NO restrictions !! We the people need to be armed in order to protect against a oppressive tyrannical government which is the reason for the second amendment!! Not just self protection or hunting!!! An armed populous is far less likely to be invaded than a defenseless population

  • Gary Jones

    The left’s hypocrisy should be challenged to prove their dishonesty. If they fire or let go of their armed body guards, secret service detail and disarm campus police and all law officers, then the citizen will disarm. It’s going to be a silent debate and you will hear the mice fart. But that wouldn’t work because no one trust each other and only the criminals would still have their guns. So lefties, it’s not a perfect world, the progressives only view it that way for others but don’t pertain to them because the rhetoric is for power grabs and full control.. Obama’s perfect world is being a little dictator over the country and the people. But one real problem, the American people won’t be disarmed by you or the UN Globalist.

  • sick of stupidity

    They are both ill informed…Machine guns are NOT illegal…just pay the $200.00 tax…next…get rid of ALL the restrictions as they are un-constitutional. Punish crime like it should be and quit making up criminals….Time to get real people…

  • countyguard

    How about calling them “defense” weapons? My fist is a defense weapon, I don’t use it to “assault” people with. Let’s make all government offices, buildings, the White House, and all government persons “gun free zones” and see how quick these hypocrites change their tunes. It’s OK to protect their butts and their kids, but its not OK for us to do the same? A gun ban will bring the civil war needed to cleans this country of the traitors so prevalent in destroying our freedoms.

  • Truth be told………

    I was at the Luby’s where the shootings took place a short time afterwards. Dr. Hupp upon surviving took up the cause and was elected because of her horrible experience. The conventional wisdom has it (rightfully I might add) that if she had her weapon (located I believe in the glove compartment of her car at the time) on her, there could have (and probably would have) been a very different outcome to this disaster. As stated on numerous occasions, people intent on doing evil do not obey laws. In this case, 23 were killed and another 20 wounded. Having eaten in that establishment, the thing that struck me was there was little anyone could do to either hide or to escape. Self defense would have been the only recourse and probably would have ensure a different outcome. For these reasons and for the tireless work of Dr. Hupp, Texas has a reasonable and rational set of gun laws on the books. Unfortunately, the liberal states of the Northeast and the west along with many of our largest cities (Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, etc.) are more than willing to sacrifice their citizens all in the name liberal, anti-gun propaganda with the express purpose of confiscating law abiding citizens legal weapons and promoting a very disengenuous message promoting fear and pushing these idiotic laws that will neither save lives or get guns out of the hands of criminals. All that I can say to these sadly mistaken people is “prove it empirically”. What are the murder rates in Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, LA, etc.? All of these cities have “tough” anti-gun laws and look at the mess that they still are………For what its worth!

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