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Should Businesses Be Allowed to Discriminate Against Gay People?

“Controversial subject! A Colorado judge ruled that a baker must bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. That’s wrong. Here are my thoughts on businesses discriminating against gay people.” -Julie Borowski
Do you agree with Borowski’s assessment? Is she missing the point by not acknowledging that this kind of behavior is just a publicity stunt to push the gay agenda? Can you keep religion out of the argument? Comment below.

  • Charles

    Business should be able to serve or not serve whoever they please.

    • Dale

      Amen…. that’s what it’s all about. I can serve whoever I want…………..period

      • craig


        • BigJohnL

          Hey!! Turn off your “CAPS LOCK” .
          It is very offensive.
          What makes you special?

          • craig


          • sandraleesmith46

            What’s your point about cats? They happen to be nicer than some humans?

          • JO JOPHNSON

            FILTHY MAGGOT !!!

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            • It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

            • Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

            • Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).

            • 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).

            • 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).

            • Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).

            • The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8). [This is a reduction in the length of life by 44% (33/75 = 44%)

            • The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).

            • Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).

            • 21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).

          • craig


          • fiftysevenchevy

            Probaby 100% of them will say “I Did NOT have sex with that WOMAN!!!!

          • GQ4U

            Thanks — I’m not really surprised they harm themselves more than we do.

            You can find these same type of lop sided statistics related to black crime where clearly blacks killing blacks is an epidemic, but they whine every bit as much as homosexuals about how someone else is causing them great harm. Personal responsibility is why main street USA is hated by these losers.

          • Myrtle Linder

            Plus the fact GOD hates the act to HIM it as an abomination. To those who love HIM, agree with HIM. It is a dirty, filthy, disgusting act. Anyone who respects himself or herself AND THEIR FAMILY will not demean themselves like this.

          • realistredneck

            Last I looked we live in an ever decreasing “Free country!!!!
            If you don’t like to read anything in CAPS you have the freedom to just don’t read it!!!
            What’s the big deal??

          • sandraleesmith46

            In case no one has told you, all caps, in the Internet lexicon is tantamount to shouting at someone.

          • Ribbey
          • sandraleesmith46

            Thanks, Ribbey, that is truly beautiful. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas and happy New Year.

          • realistredneck

            Take it any way you want.
            Shouting or no shouting.
            Where are the he internet police that say I have to conform to lexicon?

          • sandraleesmith46

            There aren’t internet police; there IS however, a thing among civilized persons called “good manners”; you might have heard of it, although your attitude suggests not. It’s based on SELF-policing.

          • realistredneck


          • sandraleesmith46

            Obviously manners are not something you practice, but you’re welcome for the information. Rudeness is a choice, and not a very nice one.

          • realistredneck

            Let’s stick to the topic!
            A business has the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime..
            Period!!!!”! Just like Obama said

          • sandraleesmith46

            Really? Apparently you’re unaware of the facts; a baker in Denver is facing JAIL time for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual wedding; he didn’t refuse them service except that one item which violates HIS beliefs, and they took him to court for it, instead of going to another bakery of which there are dozens in the Denver area they could choose from. So much for having the right to refuse service!

          • Larry Hall

            Why are you so angry?

          • realistredneck

            Angry about what?
            All the BS about capital letter use in social media or businesses being forced to offer services to peanut butter packers?

          • Tom K.

            @ BigJohnL : Maybe the Caps Lock person wants to shout ! I sure do. Who are YOU to say we can not shout ? I am offended that you are so easily offended – not really, just disappointed. By the way, God made You and me special.

          • sandraleesmith46

            God made us each unique, but not more “special” than anyone else, there is a difference. And it is offensive to everyone really, when you “shout” on line; it’s also more difficult for older eyes to separated words and sentences, when they’re all in caps. Consideration for your readers doesn’t cost you anything.

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

          • One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).

          • One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

          • Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).

          • Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).

          • Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).

          • Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

          • Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).

          • 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).

          • 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).

          • Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

          • 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

          • The Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).

          • 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

          • asmith1234

            Ray, Thank you for posting this. I collect papers like you’ve posted. Can you please tell me where I can locate this paper on the net that you’ve posted. Thank you.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

(1) Advocate, 1985.
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) “Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea.” Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men.” New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
(8) Fields, Dr. E. “Is Homosexual Activity Normal?” Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. “Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,” Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America.” Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. “Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens.” J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. “AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco.” Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. “The Homosexual Network.” Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, “Can We Talk.”
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) “The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(28) University of Chicago’s Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.

            © 2000- 2003 International Organization of Heterosexual Rights

          • asmith1234

            Thank you for your quick response. However, what I was hoping is that there was single place that I could find this data. It appears that you posted a bibliography from a book, if so, could you post the name of the book? Those statistics that you quoted are really good and would be useful to me. FWIW, over the years, I’ve found it helpful to bookmark resources, like what you’ve posted, however, a year from now I won’t remember to read the comments for this valuable data you posted, if all I’m able to do is bookmark this page. I think what I will do is copy the information you posted along with the bibliography. What I was hoping for was an online resource. I know in some forums they won’t allow you to post links, (don’t know about this one), but if this is the case where you found this data online, would you mind telling me the website, so I can bookmark the page?
            FWIW, it’s upsetting to me watching the lies told by the homosexual propaganda machine. I suspect, that a fair amount of the homosexuals may not even have a clue of the truth, but are happy to believe a lie, regardless. At any rate, having an online resource for this data, would be helpful to me as I like to refute these lies at every opportunity that comes along. Thanks again.

          • asmith1234

            It’s ok, Ray.. I found an online link. Took a guess that it might have the title:
            “Everyone Should Know These Statistics on Homosexuals” and found an online link right away.
            Thanks for fighting the good fight and exposing the lies of homosexual movement.

        • AFZoomieTim

          Ex-Lax in a pan of brownies does wonders!! Wonder what 2 boxes in a Gay Wedding Cake would do?? Would there be “rainbow colored” ka-ka?
          Sounds like fun to try! Just sayin….

        • boone1

          I would crap in the center of the cake.

      • PhylBoyse

        But the only thing that these businesses must do is have a sign posted where all customers can see – that they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. No need to state why – just that statement. Most businesses have that – but some don’t. But NO judge, president or anyone else has the right to TELL a business they must serve a person – no matter what their lifestyle is. This is still the United States of America and we still – at this moment – have rights that no one can take away, or change.

      • grumpybill

        And anybody who brings a frivolous charge (like the sodomites in question) should be taken out, tarred and feathered!!!!!

    • DJB

      Right on. No business should be forced to serve someone if it goes against their beliefs. In the case of discrimination against blacks that is an entirely different matter.

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      I agree.

    • Ed

      I AGREE!

    • Upaces

      I don’t know what the law is now, okay?
      The “old” law was your business (as long as there were no govt. loans attached)… you had the legal right to own a private business and reject anyone you choose to.
      In City Govt., (Dallas), we had gay people…but that was NOT a private business.

    • asoro

      bingo……………… we are still a free country.. for now

    • Tom Lavin

      As long as they are not receiving tax payer paid government doles
      private businesses should be able to be discriminating individual entities.

    • Billy Bob Johnson

      Your thinking is sooo un-American. That’s not what we do in here in America. Whatever happened to treating all equally. That’s why we have nondiscrimination laws.

      • sandraleesmith46

        Since when does any one individual have the right to infringe on the rights of another in this nation? This is NOT about cakes or other services; it’s about destroying the rights of a select group of people! if it was simply about a cake, they could go to a business that isn’t run by a person with those same beliefs and GET their cake. But businesses are being TARGETED because their owners hold to Judeo-Christian beliefs that a certain behavioral disorder is unacceptable to their God, which is their RIGHT under the Constitution; and it’s NOT the right of another individual to infringe on the right of that individual believer over it! That’s what’s at stake here! The FIRST AMENDMENT is under attack, and all our rights under that amendment with it! It should concern every citizen that this is happening.

        • Billy Bob Johnson

          Are you actually saying to toss out all of our nondiscrimination laws and let businesses discriminate at will? That’s disgusting

          • sandraleesmith46

            A true lib speaks! I take it you see nothing wrong with people violating the rights of business owners or behaving obscenely or disruptively in a public place and the owner not being permitted to evict such persons, or to refuse to violate his/her own principles because someone wants something he’s not prepared to give? Opening a business doesn’t mean you throw away all your individual beliefs and principles and morals to operate said business.

          • Billy Bob Johnson

            J.C. Penny’s business motto was “The Customer Is Always Right”. And he was right. One goes into business to meet the needs of their customers. what do you think the civil rights movement was all about? People not allowed to sit at a lunch counter because of their skin color, The handicapped having limited access, businesses. And you want to reverse all of that because of your selfish reasons. You should not be a business owner with that attitude.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I see you didn’t answer my question, but posed yet another inappropriate scenario. Mr Penney lived in a very different era, when people had respect for each other and the rights of individuals for the most part. Yes there were exceptions; but nothing like what this is about! And if it means “reversing” all those laws to regain some modicum of respect for the individual rights of the business owner as well as any consumers of his goods or services, then YES, by ALL means we should do that.. I wasn’t a business owner. and NO ONE should be expected to give up his own personal beliefs to be one, or an employee either one!

          • Billy Bob Johnson

            I just cant believe that anyone would at want reverse all of our civil rights laws just for the selfish reasons you speak of. You must be putting me on, but if not, you disgust me.

    • Jim

      Thank you! Any business should be able to hang a sign on the door. “This is a smoking establishment. Tobacco products and their use will be allowed. Enter at your own risk.” If you don’t like it, use the competitor’s shop across the street…or OPEN a competitor’s shop across the street. Let the free market decide! You want a cake for your gay wedding? I have no opinion about gay marriage. It’s not something I would be interested in, but to each his own. If you can find a church that will conduct the ceremony, it shouldn’t be too difficult to find a cake decorator to provide that service as well. Why insist that the one with religious views against it be the one who must comply? If they say no, go somewhere else! If you can’t find anyone…I call that a business opportunity waiting to happen. Get the skills and open the store. Let the market decide!

      • sandraleesmith46


  • Sgt. York

    it’s there business they can serve whom ever they please.

  • HCUA

    There should be a sign on the wall that says: We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone.

    • edav38

      There doesn’t Need to be a sign, this is America, we have the Freedom to Choose, and this Judge Needs to be Disbarred

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

        Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1: 24, 25, 26, 27.

        The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5.

        Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7

        Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Corinthians 6: 9.

        Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 Timothy 1:9,10.

        And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20: 15, 16.

        Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18: 22, 23.

        • edav38

          And Yet, Ezekiel Disagrees with the “Great and Powerful Raymond”,

          Ezekiel 16:49-51

          49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria
          did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable
          things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these
          things you have done.

          So, since Ezekiel Disagrees with RAYMOND, Ezekiel OBVIOUSLY IS WRONG….Right?

          • craig


          • edav38

            So, YOU know more than Ezekiel as well? Craig?
            Must be Nice to be Divine, didn’t know Humans had achieved that

          • craig


          • edav38

            Craig, you are a waste of time, you simply refuse to use Logic, Common Sense or Biblical understanding in your argument. I do not have time to waste on you, or Ray, or any of you other imbeciles who refuse to use knowledge in your arguments. But Being Blind to Truth and Reality will never get you anywhere, you are too much like “Sheep being led to the slaughter”, or otherwise known as “Liberal Like”

          • Rick

            Just what part of AIDS don’t you understand?

          • edav38

            Don’t know what you mean Craig, since AIDs was created in a Lab.

          • Rick

            Way out of context Craig. People like to read what they want from the Bible.

          • ort

            Read Jude 1:7 also. Cherry picking is highly disingenuous……
            “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and PERVERSION. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

          • Firsty

            Ezekiel agrees with Ray:
            EZEKIEL 16: 49-51
            49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
            50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination (footnote states homosexual behavior) before me; therefore I took them away as I saw good. (destroyed them from the earth)

            51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou has multiplied thine abominations more than they, and has justified (meaning sinned and made excuses like the one you are trying to make now) thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.

            Ezekiel and Ray are right.

        • Sandy/CA

          Who created Gay people and why? The same God who created you and me, right? There must be a reason so many people were created homosexual. Could this be a test to see if we would accept them? I’m not gay, but I know gay people and they have all been some of the nicest people I’ve known. Why is it that in a time when we’re trying to get rid of prejudice, gays don’t count. They’re simply living their lives the way they feel, like you and me. Who are they hurting by being themselves? Noone that’s who! Imagine being told you can’t live your life by how you feel. Think about it! Could you do it?

          • Sandy/CA

            My whole statement didn’t get on. I started by saying gays were created by the same God that created you and me. Why? I’m not gay, but I know gays who are the nicest people.

          • craig


          • jonrmoore

            And that same God gave us rules to live by. God said homosexuality is vile.

          • monacall

            Bundy was a nice guy to. So was gacy.

          • Daniel Gray

            No they were not and you have given no proof that they were, sorry but repeating a lie does not make it true.

          • Rick

            So was hitler Sandy; at least to the people he liked. Nice isn’t the point; it’s still a sin. The problem is, nobody wants to call it sin anymore.

          • Daniel Gray

            Gays are NOT created Gay, seems you missed the study above you that proves they are not born gay

          • garylee123

            I think the main problem is that you can’t get in someones face and demand respect when that person has MORALS that says otherwise.

          • monacall

            Your right but gays have no business pushing their lifestyle or even telling about their life styles to all who don’t want to hear or even care about it. Keep your mouth closed about your life style. No cares to know what you do behind closed doors. So be quiet. And all is well.

          • Bob1893

            Gays are not born gay….that is pathetic. So if gays have to train or make a conscious choice to be gay wouldn’t you have to do the same to be straight? It all comes down to what arouses you. There you don’t have a choice. Your body tells you what you are.

          • Charles

            BullSH*T !!

          • monacall

            Yep your right u do have choices. Right or wrong u have a choice.

          • sandraleesmith46

            That’s about as LAME an excuse as you could possibly come up with! Homosexuality IS and always has been a LEARNED behavioral disorder that an individual chooses, however subconsciously it may be or how early in life; but a learned disorder CAN be unlearned too, IF the individual is willing to do the work involved. People don’t have to “choose” to be heterosexual, because that is precisely how we are designed to behave; whereas homosexuality goes against all natural construction and behavioral pattern built into us as a species.

          • Richard J. Waldron

            Most rational people don’t have a problem with Gay people. They just don’t want something they don’t agree with shoved in their face. Sort of like an atheist doesn’t want Christianity shoved in their’s. How come if only 1-2% of the population is Gay it is every where we turn every commercial, every TV show and movie has to have a Gay portrayed in it laws affecting every single American are passed to MAKE them recognize the Gay Lifestyle. If a person is gay and they don’t walk around flaunting it are talking about their latest trist then no one would care and their would be no problem but because somebodies feelings got hurt they have to take them to court and cry about their mental anguish. When are men going to step up and be men. The Pussification of America is nearly complete!

          • Rick

            How true Richard. Just look at what all this stuff has done to our armed forces. I served ten years in the Navy when they had an article in the UCMJ against sodomy; today that article doesn’t exist.

          • sandraleesmith46

            There used to be all manner of articles governing behaviors as to sexual conduct for ALL members of the military, including sodomy, bestiality, and rape of any sort; I suspect all of those are now gone!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Same reason that although only 12 % of the population is black we have them pushed to the fore; LOBBIES and bleeding heart libs with a major guilt complex they shove off on the rest of us!

          • Firsty

            They are hurting everyone around them. I know homosexuals who have destroyed their loving families by leaving them on a whim for someone of the same sex. It is not a test for us to accept them as clearly we are instructed by God in the scriptures to not accept sin of which this clearly is stated to be. Please read the post above by Ray-Jesus is the Son of God to see who is hurt and harm is done to. There have been many cases of homosexuals who have brought disease including the aids virus to their pure and innocent spouses. If you live your life the way you feel and you are a serial murderer, then how can you say you will not hurt others, that also goes for liars, fornicators (hurting their families), adulterers, rapists, perjurers, thieves. Get the picture? God’s laws are to protect us and our loved ones, not to punish us. Many people who feel attracted to the opposite sex have conquered their flesh and live lives of abstinence/celibacy. They are the selfless ones who have passed their test. Yes, the test is for them, not their loved ones. Could I do it? Hopefully as I think about Jesus Christ’s atonement, his suffering for ME, I would think about my part in his pain and suffering and want to prevent more.

          • Daniel Gray

            Nobody was created “gay” as you are under the assumption that you are born that way. Tell ya what chuckles, if you were then prove it. The AMA-JAMA-CDC-WHO and at least 160 other medical and genetic groups all say the same thing…gays were NOT born that way as there is no such thing as a gay gene. If you claim there is then prove it as you will have done something that over 25000 scientists and medical doctors have not ben able to prove in well over 60 years.

          • sandraleesmith46

            The reports on the full mapping of the human genome came out in ’02, and there IS no gene or cluster of genes that cause homosexual behaviors. None! So the “born that way” argument doesn’t hold water. It’s a LEARNED behavior and all learned behaviors can be UNLEARNED, but it takes a lot of hard work and the will to do so, which most homosexual practitioners do not have period; so instead they seek to force the rest of us to accept that which to many of us is plain repugnant and SIN!

          • Daniel Gray

            didnt I just say this above you? So why are you replying to me instead of Sandy, the person who made this claim of gays being born that way in the first place.

          • Rick

            When will you get it Sandy? The queers are trying to force their life stile on the rest of society and that’s what most people hate. I don’t want any queer telling me or anybody else, that I have to accept something that my God tells me is an abomination.

          • WARIII

            Sodomy is a sin, all sin is done by choice therefore all sodomites choose to sin— consequently associating with someone that decides to openly sins and and admits so is a choice of each indiviual. Therfore a business owner has every RIGHT to refuse service(to associate with a sodomite!

          • PatriotGal

            All people created by God have free choice. Those folks have CHOSEN their lifestyle and I believe they are more about rebellion and control than anything else.

          • Charles

            God did not create them gay, that was their on choosing..
            Even animals know better than to try to do the things Gay’s do.

          • asmith1234

            Sandy, It’s a faulty premise that they were born homosexual. There is NO real science to back up that claim. Beyond that, turn your question around where you ask, “Who are they hurting by being themselves?” A Christian has a right to their convictions and being themselves. They are hurting Christians by trying to use force. This man may go to jail because he will not compromise his convictions. You don’t call that hurt? A free person has the right to serve or work for whoever they choose.
            I fully believe that the government is using homosexuals to lay the ground work for turning our country from a nation of free individuals to complete tyranny. What this judge proclaimed with his decision was that the rights of the collective trumps the rights of the individual. This turns upside down, the very foundation of this country where individual freedom was the premise. Now, substitute a government that decides what the collective needs, (could be anything) and the government uses the iron fist of government to force the individuals. This is the characteristic of tyrannies that produced death all through history.

          • asmith1234

            Sandy, God did NOT create homosexuals, it’s a choice. Just as in other choices that we all make in life.

            Romans 1:24-32 “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25} Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. {26} For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: {27} And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. {28} And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; {29} Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, {30} Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to
            parents, {31} Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: {32} Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

          • asmith1234

            Sandy, Here’s some facts that refute homosexuality is genetic:

            From the article: “Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic” Dr. Neil Whitehead
            Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.
            “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

            Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

            “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

            Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

            Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

            For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

            The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

            “Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

            A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic
            correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of
            adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by
            Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

            In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

            “Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

            “Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.

            Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

            Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.

            The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later.”

            “The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”

            Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”

          • Joe

            Being nice isn’t the issue, Sandy, and God didn’t create them that way only to turn on them and say kill them (Leviticus 20:13). But “nice” isn’t the only criterion for hiring people. Who wants to enter a business only to see the receptionist is a man sitting at the front desk in a dress and full make up? Gays are here, they’re queer and nobody wants to know about them. To answer your question: living their lives the way they feel isn’t always a good idea. There have to be borders – for everybody. Do you want nudists in the workplace? No, it’s improper. So, homosexuals need to shut up, stop trying to use improper rest room facilities, stop shoving their lack of moral values up the noses of normal people, stop corrupting marriage laws, and stop trying to manifest their unnatural lifestyles in public. Keep it in the gay bars, people! Obama won’t be around forever.

    • HCUA

      I wonder how many people got the joke.

    • fiftysevenchevy

      Used to see that All the time!

    • Charles

      You use to see that sign at some places. I don’t know if the Gov. stopped it or not.

  • RCQ_92130

    Any group if people that is as obnoxious, antisocial and vicious as are gay activists should be banned from any organization that honors and respects all their OTHER customers.

    • edav38

      Your Statement Could Easily be applied to Most Christians, who feel the Need to Judge Everyone. YOU are obnoxious, Antisocial and Vicious as well!!!

      • Deborah G

        While I am against discrimination freedom is free markets let them decide if you want to sell to a pig or a shark but not a llama that is your right and the market will decide if they are accepted as a viable business model. I think people decide who they want to support or not. IF a business is blatently racist then if people find that distatseful they can decide not to spend their money there. Hopefully we have evolved enough as a society that we don’t need government to legis;ate everything./

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        More blah blah blah.

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        Isaiah 5:20
        Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
        that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
        that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        Isaiah 5:21
        Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,
        and prudent in their own sight!

        Galatians 6:7
        Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever
        a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

        • craig


          • edav38

            He is fast with them, because he has his arguments Pre-Planned, he likely has them saved in a way that shows if a certain argument is going, he will have something (even if it is wrong), to quickly pull up, and copy/paste

          • craig


          • Rick

            I sure think those Scriptures let all of us know what God expects of us.

        • edav38

          Guess what, IF I am wrong, then “””I””” have to stand in front of GOD and answer for it, YOU WILL NOT BE THERE when i do!!!

          • RCQ_92130

            AMEN! Yes, Davey, you WILL be standing in front of Him, explaining why you gave Him the middle finger by playing gay.

          • Firsty

            We will all be there and judged for our own sins. They difference is: We care about your judgement and want to see you gain eternal life by repentance too. We will bear testimony of our own sins and every knee will bend and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. It will be sad for those who are sentenced to eternal misery. We need to accept Christ’s atonement for us by repenting of our sins, or suffer even as he did which caused Him, even the Son of God to bleed from every pore.

          • Rick

            He probably won’t be there. He will be in a higher place.

          • edav38

            Not likely, since ALL will be Judged in the same place at the same time

      • Bay0Wulf

        Well YEAH! To people who think like you do, we may be all those things TO YOU and … IF we are, its probably because you deserve it and furthermore, YOU came to this Conservative Site to argue with these people, they didn’t (and usually don’t) seek you and your kind out. SO … What’s with that?

        • edav38

          Actually, you do not know me, thus do NOT know why I make the arguments I make. I am a Very Serious Devout Follower of Christ, but I Do Not go into it Blindly, I have Done my research and study of the time period.
          God Never Said to Follow Him Blindly, as you obviously ARE.

          • RCQ_92130

            Davey – you are an unrepentant gay — NOT a ‘devout follower of Christ’.

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        • 50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).

        • About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).
        Homosexuals prey on children.

        • 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).

        • There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.

        • Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molester, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

        • 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).

        • Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

        • Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

        • RCQ_92130

          Shhhhhh !

          Gay activists do not WANT you telling everyone about the vile reality of their lifestyle.

        • robin

          If I were the owner of that bakery, now being forced to make a cake, I would honor the courts decision, but I would add in the cost of the time wasted by having to deal with the courts, add in the costs of any lawyer fees that were incurred, add in any costs that were involved in any of this. That cake would be very, very expensive. I also would make the gay couple sign a contract that they would have to pay for this cake no matter what costs there were. You may have lost the right to refuse service, but you haven’t lost the right (yet) to charge what ever you want. Then see what happens. I also would put a man and woman on the cake because I could claim that that is the only way I know how to make a wedding cake.

      • Eric

        edav38, Temper temper. Christianity has been more tolerant of everyone than any other religion. Christianity seems to “take it on the chin” from commentators, especially on the more Marxist leaning networks, than any other belief system, yet still survives, though I would prefer more of a Christian response to the garbage I hear from its detractors. I am not a real religious guy, but I believe in the Christian ethics upon which this country was founded. Because of those ethics, we were more free than any country on this earth ever was, we were more prosperous, and we had more hope. And, we allowed people like you to say what you wanted on this site without fear of official retribution.
        The problem comes when every group claims a “right” to what they want. At some time, people have to accept the principles upon which we were founded. There was a reason for the principles we originally adopted, and the results were good. Our current problems are due to us abandoning those principles, especially those of hard work, self reliance and personal responsibility. Personally, I don’t want to live in a country other than that into which I was born, which abandons our original founding principles. If you do, you are also free – free to move. You could also try to change your state as states are the real laboratories in our country (at least if we can prevent the feds from ruining it all). But, other states would be free to reject your state’s reasoning. That’s the beauty of how this country was founded. Sometimes we stray, but usually we get things back on course. The problem is when the feds dictate to all of us, then we become Marxist and not free. So, think what you want, do what you want, but if you want to change our founding principles for everyone, please do it somewhere else.

        • edav38

          No, Christians have been Just as Intolerant as Muslims.
          We have a LONGER History of Intolerance than even Islam has, So far Stretching almost 2000 years, to their 700 years.
          If you do not know your religious history, then that is an Easy mistake to make.

          • GramE

            The Muslims came into France to conquer in about the 7th or 8th century. They were turned back by Charles II, Charlemagne’s grandfather.
            We are now in the 21st century.
            “If you do not know your religious history, then that is an Easy mistake to make”.

          • edav38

            I Meant 700 years Less, picky

          • Mijale

            Might want to do some research… Christianity has been around longer than Islam, but, it has always been accepting… that is accepting of anything that gives life and love… If we were accepting of homosexuality, which is based on lust, and only gives a false and temporary satisfaction, our belief system, like Islam would be based on hate.
            Christianity only spreads through love – “God loved the world so much that He gave His only son to die as a substitute for the sins of man, that anyone who believes in Him will not die, but have eternal life”. Islam only spreads through force – “convert or die”.

          • Eric

            edav38, Let’s see, by your figures, Christianity 2000, Muslims 700 – Christianity wins! You know, you confuse the message with the messenger for your perceived wrongdoings of people of faith. I agree people have not been, and are not, perfect. But, the Bible tells no one to kill non-believers. Muslims do as their good book says to. They also tax people of different faiths just because they are different. No matter what you think of the past, in today’s world, no contest. Muslims are stuck in the year 400 a.d. with their intolerance and social constraints. If you think differently, I invite you to go live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, go get your drivers license, wear make-up, etc. While some Muslim countries are a little different, you do not see anything approaching the tolerance you see in a Christian nation. As far as selling to gays, I think that is up to the owner. I own a business and while I have nothing against anyone, no one tells me who to cater to. And, as bad as our country is getting in many ways, at least gays have the right to inquire of a business for service and I believe most businesses would not bat an eye. In a Muslim country, no problem either, They would just stone the gays to death.

          • Rick

            I can only assume that you think that it’s ok. for muslims to go around the world killing everybody that don’t agree with them. Wake up; that’s what muslims do. Have you forgotten about 9/11?

          • edav38

            It is best to break down the word “ASSUME’ here, ASS/U/ME, it makes an ASS out of U and Me. Don’t assume anything about me, when you do not know why I say what I do, since you have no ability to Read Minds Nor ferret out what someone is saying, because of Pre-Conceived Notions, you have no ground to stand on.
            And since I NEVER SAID a think about what YOU said about my supposed beliefs, that is YOU inserting that in, and In no Way Relates to Anything I was saying, But you are apparently too ignorant to figure out what I was saying, So What I got the 700yrs and 1300yrs backwards, Get a Brain Cell and Use It

      • RCQ_92130

        Davey, Davey, Davey! Is that your only way to argue – personal attacks that are infantile, stupid-silly and moronic? Here, I’ll help you (knowing that you, having chosen a ‘gay lifestyle’, are not exactly the brightest bulb in the shed): any one of us can fairly critique the vile & vicious GAYS, since we have plentiful data and experience to show they are vile and vicious. You do NOT know me (personally 0 praise the Lord!), so you LACK data to make a personal attack like a little school girl. I know this is a lot for you to grasp, but maybe your Mommy can help.

      • Badabing

        Let’s see. The subject was about the government telling a business which market to go after. Now, you bring it down to denigrating Christians.
        Here, have another snippet. Take it and run with it.

    • dalesbest

      And descriminate against Christians, Jews, Red heads, Blonds. short people. Skinney people or aanyone else.

      • RCQ_92130

        I realize when you go gay you are willfully snuffing a significant portion of your mental abilities, but this little stupidity of yours is a tad beyond the pale, Dale. Here is what your gay-addled brain missed: ***GAYS*** ARE OBNOXIOUS, ANTISOCIAL AND VICIOUS … NO ONE OF ANY SENSIBILITY WANTS TO HAVE THEM STANDING NEXT TO THEM WHILE SHOPPING. The same is NOT true of Christians, Jews, Red heads (why the capital “r”?), Blonds (again, why the capital “b”?), short people, Skinny People (ditto about your capitalizing the “s”), or aanyone {sic} else.

        • dalesbest

          I didn’t realize that correct English, spelling and
          letter form was part of this subject, but thank you anyway..

          I think you missed my point entirely. My point was that we should be allowed to discriminate against anyone for anything and I don’t have to listen to any
          speech and no one has to listen to mine.

          I should be allowed to decide who I will associate with,
          sell to or buy from without the government
          giving me rules to follow.
          By the way you assumed that I am gay, Not so.

        • grandmaforliberty

          so why didn’t this couple try a different baker?? because they wanted a case to take to the judge for publicity… they could actually care less who bakes their cake…

          • RCQ_92130


            As I said, these are vile, repugnant sociopaths. Other customers would HATE to be in the same store as are they. It’s the merchant’s DUTY to the other customers to shoo these children out the door like the spoiled brat infants they are.

  • WandaZ

    If you can refuse service to someone who is barefoot and has no shirt on which we see often as “No shirt, no shoes, no service”, then you should be able to refuse service to a gay person.

  • Oldsailor65

    I am old and over weight and I am discriminated against.

    • realistredneck

      Hang around for a little while.
      Obummer will “take care of you”….

  • RCQ_92130

    By the way, Julie Borowski – you low I.Q. human pretender: GAY IS NOT A RACE! How on earth are you managing to feed yourself when working in a supposed journalism career while not even understanding such elementary issues ?????

    • BigJohnL

      Gay is a mental disorder that can affect anyone with low morals.


    So how do you psychics know its a gay person. Know some pretty straight looking ones so looks like you guys will miss some. Good luck. May a gay person get you soon. Maybe make a pass like your great Congressman Larry Craig. Stay out of public restrooms. Larry may be lurking. Hahahaha

    • Bay0Wulf

      Well, in the case of a cake of this nature, the idea of having “Gary & George” (or some such) would give it away. A cake is a custom item. most shops it is simple to just act “normal” and be whatever you are and no-one feels the need to inquire. Overt Homosexuality is offensive to some people for religious or even socio-political reasons. Discrimination laws are being stretched to cover an item for which it is not suited.

      Handicaps, gender, race are all factual items and involve no “choosing”. Sexual orientation is a “chosen” behavior despite what the psycho babblers say. Behavioral issues of any type allow for legitimate discrimination.

      Businesses have the right to determine who they will and will not do business with as long as the business follows legitimate anti-discrimination laws. I believe the law in question is a local law and is questionably legally enforceable.

      The entire thing however is a deliberate set-up by the ACLU & a couple activist Homosexuals where the “couple” got “married” in … Florida(?) and decided to celebrate the “wedding” in Colorado.

  • craig


    • rocka692

      This does give credence to the saying “those who can do, those who can not do teach” so all the Professor of Law jobs are filled what is left, run for or beg a judgeship!

  • Lawrence

    Ok so it violates the law but being gay violates Gods law.. Which is more important, Gods law or gov. laws. Homosexuality is against Gods law and Christians follow Gods law, not obamas.

    • mpdmd

      Maybe the baker could not decorate the cake on the pro gay method requested.

  • Margaret Clark

    They have the right to refuse service as they see fit. It is his business. He sets the rules.

  • ARMYOF69

    Business, may refuse to serve ANYONE they please.

  • Rocky

    Perversion is not a civil right. However, people behaving correctly, in a restaurant
    or wherever, should not be discriminated against. I don’t rant about my sexuality;
    neither should gays.

  • retiredli

    Yes they are privately owned and can hire who ever they want.

  • mpdmd

    This is another scenario which points to the idiocy of gays. I was never asked if I was gay or straight when I ordered my wedding cake.

  • Jeffrey Locke

    Gays discriminate against religious individuals. They call them names and act to force their agenda by targeting businesses. Judges who swear to hold up the U.S. Constitution and disregard religious liberty break their oath.
    Advancing lifestyle choices is judicial actvisim.
    Businesses are private and as such should have religious protection and conscience protection.

  • Remag1

    Businesses should be able to choose who they serve without exception. Gay, Black, Brown, White or whatever THEY decide.

  • Deborah G

    We have gotten so PC that we have a moron ;like this flake telling us what business should do or not do.

  • DadC

    As long it is a privately owned business, they have the right to refuse service to anyone they like. If it hurts them in the pocketbook so be it. But it may also help their business for standing up for what they believe in.

  • ARMYOF69

    Bake the queers a COW PIE.

  • Michael Parks

    ever I have someone whose work I do not want to do I just raise my
    rates or tell them I have a conflict with their schedule. What I NEVER
    do is tell them “You play in the sewer and I find that disgusting “.

    • looneytoonsindville

      When your advertised price is available, you are subject to prosecution if you “raise your rates” for a single individual or class of people. You had best watch your backside. If you get caught, the mind police will punish you in very undesirable ways.

      • Michael Parks

        I wouldn’t change an advertised price and that is the smallest part of my business

    • Arizona_Don

      I find gays who want to force me to accept them disgusting. I don’t really care if they want to be queer but to try to force me to accept it is out of the question. Therefore, if I had a business like this and a judge told me to do something like this I did not wish to do I would no longer have the business. Screw them!

      And yes I have run businesses, two and both very successfully I might add.

  • Jake Green

    It’s called freedom of association. If a business chooses not to bake a cake for a Gay “Wedding” fine, if a Gay owned business doesn’t want to bake a cake for a wedding between a man and a woman…that’s fine too.

  • foundersfan

    Any business should have the CHOICE of serving/doing business with whom they want. Their ‘PATRONS’ will decide if their business lives/dies.

  • BigJohnL

    “No shirt, no shoes, no service”, (no fags).

  • looneytoonsindville

    A related question. Should any person be allowed to force a private businessperson to provide goods or services to an activity that they view as morally repugnant and evil?

    • craig

      HELL NO.

  • jim kent

    HELL NO WAY,we are FREE AMERICANS NOT DEMOCRATES,we need to start now in educateing these communist judges,all of them.

    • Most Rev. Gregori

      Perhaps we are NOT the majority anymore.

  • WBP

    Gays have the right to shop elsewhere, not to use this to push their agenda.


    yes…business should be able to serve or hire who ever they wish.

  • dalesbest

    Anyone should be able to discriminate
    against anyone or
    anything thing for any
    reason or no reason.
    It’s called FREEDOM of association..

    • Harry917

      Freedom of Association is one thing: it is a constitutional right guaranteed to every individual. However, should all businesses be free to discriminate against women? people with disabilities? persons of color? The Supreme Court has rightly ruled “no” under the interstate commerce clause. Should a dry cleaning company be constitutionally protected from refusing to clean/storing a bridal gown because the customer is a female? or just those females who are lesbian. Think about it. Your “protected” rights may be at risk if you agree that a business has the same rights as an individual.

      • Dead_Right

        If I start a bus. I can end it. All relationships in the middle are mine to enter in to or not. Those that create victim groups are also “discriminating”. Assumptions are made here about many things like a businesses are everyones beotch. We are not.
        I do not care about offending someones sensabilities. that is their baggage.
        I do as a practice try to help all comers, a few very irritating. But I will not do something strictly to affirm something I do not believe in.

      • stratus46

        “should all businesses be free to discriminate ,,,” Yes they should and if you don;t like it, don’t patronize them and if enough people don’t patronize them, they;ll go out of business and solve the problem. The whole system is self correcting if you’re patient.

      • dalesbest

        The word business describes a method of earning
        compensation for and by people.

        Does a business have rights?. No, but the people that own or operate it do.
        One of those rights is the freedom of association.

        What rights would be taken from me if discrimination was allowed to decide if they would sell or serve me?

  • DOOM161

    The judge is requiring this baker to sell a specific product. This means that anyone can sue anyone else for refusing to sell him a specific product. That includes suing Burger King for refusing to sell a Big Mac. I can also now sue this homosexual couple for refusing to bake a cake for me.

    This baker never refused to serve anyone. He refused to sell a product that he does not sell.

  • benth163

    “Should businesses be allowed to discriminate against gay people” The operative words there are, “Be Allowed”. Who sets themselves up as the arbiters of righteousness? No government, no matter how hard they try to legislate ethics or morality cannot accomplish that task with any sense of equanimity.

    I am Gay, and have no problem with businesses discriminating who they will or will not hire. It is not my place to force another person to abdicate to my demands. To do so goes against everything our government was designed to keep from happening and that was to keep aggressive people from demanding of government that it should control every aspect of its citizen’s lives.

    If you don’t like me because I am Gay, then so be it. It is no skin off my nose, as it were. It is your loss not getting to know a great person, and I will fight for your right to be so, if you will also fight for my right to be so. Business owners have the right to do as they please with their businesses. Period, no “Ifs”, “Ands” or “Buts”.

    This socialist agenda to make us all in the same image, is counter to everything humanity stands for. For the Federal Government or for States to discriminate is totally a different story indeed !

    • RCQ_92130

      First, though I’d dearly like to believe you are a sane gay person, that’s just too against the odds. It’s been YEARS since I have heard of a gay individual who gives a hoot about the rights of anyone other than their own, self consumed and self absorbed interests. you wish us to believe you are the grand exception. Don’t buy it for a second.

      • benth163

        Yes RCQ I am that sane, and am also a conservative. Just because a man is gay does not necessarily make him a liberal, rainbow flag waving, queen. That I am not.

        I am a patriot who does not believe government should interest itself in the private lives of its citizens, when it comes to moral and/or ethics, but also when it comes to Gay Marriage it has insinuated itself and thus does not give all humans that same rights, say, when it comes to taxes and rights of inheritance etc.

        I am also a strong believer in the Constitution, and what it attempts to do by limiting government, because our founding fathers knew all to well that the aggressive men in our society DO USE government to force partisanship that discriminates against whatever segment of society they want to control !

  • brewby

    Has the baker in question seen the move “The Help”?

  • myfordtruck

    abide by what the owner wants besides its there property they can always tell you to leave and by law you would have to


    That puke of a judge would last about a week in south Ms…………….then dis-appear………….

  • Most Rev. Gregori

    Who the heck is that twit? Does she think she is funny? She not only talks like a moron, but she really doesn’t know what the heck she is talking about. Right or wrong, business owners have a right to serve or not serve whom ever they want. ALL of those “special protection” laws are unconstitutional.

  • david of tampa

    A business should be able to deny service to anyone that they want, and any Judge thinking a law is able to change that is ridiculous. We have gone from a nation of laws to a nation of too many stupid laws. If the judge thinks they should have a cake then the judge should bake it. Or if they make the bakery do it I would go to CVS and empty the shelves of laxitives.

  • Jim Horn

    As long as a sign is posted that says” We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

    Of course, a place can go out of business for going over the top.

    I’ve been refused service in an Islamist run establishment because I had a lapel pin with crossed Israeli and USA flags. That’s OK because they eventually went out of business.

  • John OMalia

    The Judge is wrong, gay or sad people, it makes no difference, freedom of association means we can serve whomever we want. A person can’t do anything about skin color but he does not have to go around with an, “I’m a gay sign”. Next thing you know they’ll have to serve pedophiles and every other perverted group.

  • Ga1

    Whe I was roing u busiess’s had signs i the lace “QWe rerve the to refuse service to anyne Th constituion allows us to choose not to ogins our religs beliefsr morals.

    • Arizona_Don

      Take another hit and call later

      • craig


        • RCQ_92130

          A “brake”? Disk or drum?

    • Eva St. Clair, NJ

      Oil your keys.

  • ToniStimmel

    The essence of Political Correctness is that it protects everybody except YOU from being offended. The liberals think that the 1st Amendment was added to the Constitution to insure no one was ever embarrassed from having praise heaped upon them. I think PC was invented to get around Freedom of Speech and Hate Crimes were invented to get around Double Jeopardy.

  • g-main

    “discrimination”. To be honest with you, as a black man, I don’t have the right to demand services from anyone in the private sector. If a man doesn’t want to serve me because of my skin color, it’s his loss. And did anyone catch the irony of this video, sponsored by Progressive Insurance, a known contributor to “progressive” and sometimes gay-friendly causes?

  • Ferd Berfel

    NO Shirt, NO Shoes, NO Morals = NO SERVICE


    In that case, these high end restaurants that will refuse service to persons with children should have to serve everyone.

  • Eva St. Clair, NJ

    It’s the business owner’s investment and labor. It should be his/her decision on who to serve. It’s a foolish business decision not to serve someone, but that, literally, is his/her decision, not the “judge” who has no investment in the business.

  • Docs357

    Busniss owners or managers have always had the right to refuse to service to anyone not acting properly or disturbing others. They can’t claim there being picked on because they’re gay when the behavior is what the problem. Is
    They want special treatment no equatable treatment seems to satisfy there degrading list for power forcing others to see there degradation watching what some would find disgusting and degrading to both men and women

    • Shadowwolf78

      Being gay isn’t the problem. Because homosexuality is something that you are born with, your argument is the same as saying that “being black is what the problem is” during the civil rights movement. Homosexuals do not “force others to see their (correct spelling) degradation” any more than heterosexuals do.

  • marineh2ominer

    Businesses should be left alone to serve or not serve anyone they want , and no reason should be required .

  • Herb Hill

    Business should be allowed to serve who they want to. There are already too many regulations protecting homosexuals.

    • Shadowwolf78

      Incorrect. They do not yet have the same protections and rights that others do.

  • rtryon

    What does the Judge do when the business owner supports the gay customer but his/her assistant won’t do the work or does it incorrectly?

    • Shadowwolf78

      Nothing, because the employer would have disciplined or fired the employee before it comes to that point.

      • rtryon

        Oh, its so simple…but, what if nobody knows that the key decorator took ill and left the job for the ER at the hospital to hide the fact that his/her hand shook so badly that he/she could not do the requested art? If that person discovers with help of the Judge’s appointed professional team that it was an unknown and unexpected religious experience that caused the failure. Does the Judge force the business to fail or just put the failed employee in jail and then all employees lose their jobs too while the employer only lost his/her business.

        • Shadowwolf78

          That’s a lot of ifs. Also, you’re attempting to prove a point with absurdity, with is a fallacy in discussion.

          • rtryon

            OK. No ifs. When we inoculate all babies to flip the needed DNA codes to prefer homosexuality, then the problem will go away. Right? Or do you somehow tolerate heterosexual preference and permit them to raise babies trained to allow all combinations of two or more humans to be called by the State and all religions as being engaged in something called marriage? Maybe HS Unions, SS Unions and OC (other combinations) Unions can be served with government supplied cakes decorated by the cake recipients? Only old-fashioned folks who wish to add to the Civil Union status one provided by the church of their choice should be wanting to use the archaic word ‘marriage’ in a sacramental sense, unless that church chooses to define the blessing as one of Union.

          • Shadowwolf78

            What’s wrong with homosexuals getting married, raising kids, having families? And if you say that the bible says so, then I counter with “Show me where it says it in the Constitution.”

          • rtryon

            I did not say that gays can’t raise adopted children or that lesbians can’t be artificially inseminated. It is tough for a gay male to nurse, but bottles worked for me with the 2 a.m. feeding and let my wife sleep! It no doubt helps for each partner in any combination take a share of responsibilities. That happens pretty automatically as nature abhors a vacuum.

  • david of tampa

    The Lesbians who want the cake asked for two bridees to adorn the top of the cake. Therefore gave their perversions away. (As if the butch’s demeanor wasn’t enough) It is a crime that the fem lesbian doesn’t know how to bake. Then she could have saved a bundle. I never was too much against the gays, but this frivolous bull is starting to prove that they are not worth much as a people.

  • TexRanger

    Certainly, businesses should be able to decide who it serves.

    • stratus46

      No shoes no shirt no service. No one complains about THAT discrimination.

      • Shadowwolf78

        Because that is a matter of health and sanitation.

  • Dead_Right

    I would like a simple answer from the militant gays.
    Why force someone that you disagree with, into a relationship with you?
    I avoid those I dislike or that I know dislike me.
    When one forces a relationship, business or otherwise it just means more friction, they might spite me as well. So why do you seek the forced approval of others you might as well just leave under a rock? Are there not many very willing to serve?

  • robocop33

    I don’t think that is really discrimination that the Goverm ntbe involved in. You cannot force anyone to do business with others if they choose not to. That is called freedom. This ‘couple’ chose this business knowing full well that they were very Christian believers and would refuse to help them break a Commandment. A lawsuit was planned all along that is wrong.

    • Shadowwolf78

      Please state the Commandment that would be broken by this bakery doing business with the couple.

      • RCQ_92130

        “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me”.
        Homosexuals worship their sphincters, not God. Celebrating their sphincter-marriage would be celebrating a god other than God.

        • Shadowwolf78

          Your statement is massively incorrect and symbolic of your ignorance. Please have a valid answer if you are to respond to my questions. Making statements such as you have is ignorant and not conducive to an intelligent dialogue.

          • RCQ_92130

            Awwwww ….. ‘lil baby wolfie. You don’t LIKE hearing the truth. What a shock.

            Please find the capability to deal in reality if you are going to make comments. Blathering on and on with massively idiotic opinions is not conducive to a dialogue of any kind.

          • Shadowwolf78

            Attempting to evoke an emotional response in such a juvenile way is pathetic. If you are more than a troll then you have the mental capacity to answer the original question with an intelligent response, rather than the childish one you used.

          • RCQ_92130

            It’s cute how YOU come on this site, trolling away, then call others “troll”. Never let it be said that homosexuals are troubled by personal responsibility!

            To answer, since you clearly did not understand (and were thus vexed):

            If you ask a normal person about themselves, they will respond by saying, “I’m a doctor (or lawyer, etc); perhaps say they are a father/mother of three; etc. Maybe after listing 100 descriptors will they even THINK, “I’m a heterosexual normal person.”

            As the same of a homosexual and the FIRST thing normally said is, “I’m gay ….”. As I said, homosexuals worship their sexuality as their god in the same way some worship money or athleticism or power. And, as we well know, no man can serve two masters – if his or her god is his or her sexual proclivities, he or she cannot also be worshiping God.

            THIS, my twisted and sad friend, IS REALITY.

            And THIS, my twisted and sad friend, violates God’s first commandment to “have no other gods above Me.”

            Had you not be steeped and saturated in homosexual propaganda and dogma, this would have been more easily understood (by you). But, perhaps even in your state of non-reality I have been able to help you out.


          • Shadowwolf78

            Homosexuals are no more troubled by personal responsibility than anyone else. I’ve asked many homosexuals about themselves. The comment that “I’m gay” doesn’t usually come up for several lines, if at all, unless directly asked. Being proud of one’s sexuality, of being what one was made to be, is not worship. Thus, there is no “worship of one’s sexuality” before any god.

            Also, something we should be doing in a personal interaction now a days, is finding out what a persons personal pronouns are. It is no longer just “They have a penis, they’re a he” or “They have breasts, so they’re a she”. It is much more complicated than that. It is about being who you are, and being accepted for who you are, rather than being ostracized and discriminated against, simply for being who you were when you were born. Homosexuality, like the other forms of sexuality, is something you’re born with, and thus not something that can be “simply turned off”.

            But to counter your argument about homosexuals worshiping sexuality, give me a few cited, peer reviewed examples to back up your statement. That way I may consider it to be at least partially valid.

          • RCQ_92130

            You seriously said that?

            1. You report ‘several’ anecdotal chats with alleged homosexuals as ‘proof’ they are not obsessed with their sexualproclivities, then demand “peer reviewed examples” so you, in your omnipotence, “MAY CONSIDER IT {gay obsession with gay} TO BE AT LEAST PARTIALLY VALID.” hA HA HA HA. YOU are NUTS!

            2. Please provide peer reviewed analyses showing homosexuals are capable of accepting personal responsibility. Only then might I consider your silly claim to be at least partially valid. As you ponder this, I suggest you consider the out-of-control rate of AIDS among gays, the preponderance of AIDS-infected homosexuals who continue to have unprotected sex, the horrific rate of pedophilia among homosexual men, the indifference among homosexuals to the rights of others, etc.

            3. I see you believe in short-term, accelerated ‘evolution’ …. ergo the new need to take seriously those who are gender confused and treat them as if sane. I also see you believe in “invisible evolution” – such that people have ‘progressed’ into gender confused states even though they have not physically evolved. Cute. And you assert these wombats can and do accept personal responsibility!

            4. I see also you believe there exists a “gay gene”, though, despite HUGE sums seeking this holy grail, which would after all absolve all gays of the consequences of their behavior (“I couldn’t help it …. IT’S IN MY **g e n e s ** !!!!!!”). I bet you believe an individual “born’ (or trained, in the more likely scenario ~~~ like homosexuals) with a tendency toward alcoholism can and should take steps to not drink. And I’ll bet you see no inconsistency in your wacko set of beliefs!

            It’s tremendous fun hearing how your brain works (or does not work, as the case may be), but i have no expectation you are susceptible to facts, reality and learning …. other than as such things may be printed and approved by The Gay Times. Therefore, given this is a waste of my time, I think I’ve humored you (more correctly, you I) as much as I wish to.


          • Shadowwolf78

            Besides, I’ve seen a lot more heterosexuals “worshiping” their genitals, than I have seen homosexuals. And by a massive margin.

          • Shadowwolf78

            Also, there is almost no pedophilia among homosexual men. If you go through the reports, cases, and analysis, you will see that the vast majority, 90+%, identify themselves as heterosexual.

          • RCQ_92130

            Once again, you remain mired in and saturated with propaganda from The Gay Times, that would have you believe an adult male who is sexually attracted to other males ISN’T REALLY “gay” if only the other males are younger than a certain magic age. Oh – and would have you believe that a married (real marriage, not a “gay” marriage) adult male can’t POSSIBLY be gay … because … well, because there are only closeted gay males when it’s convenient to “the cause”.

            What a loony tunes world you live in !

          • Shadowwolf78

            Okay, let me hit you with some more facts and see if this actually get’s through to you. Rape, regardless of age/sex/preference/whatever is not about sexual attraction. It’s about power. It’s about dominating someone. Thus why the vast, vast majority of pedophiles who are male, and go after young males, are not homosexual, and don’t identify as homosexual. It’s not about “Oh, look at that little boy, I want to have sex with him”, it’s about a conscious or unconscious desire to dominate and have power over said little boy. Same case when a full grown man rapes a woman, or a woman rapes a man, or in any other situation. Please understand that, if nothing else.

          • RCQ_92130

            In the REAL world the tiny sliver of society that is “gay” ~~~ 2.7% ~~~ accounts for 30+% of all child predations. You figure it out.

          • Shadowwolf78

            Again, where do your numbers come from?

          • RCQ_92130

            Again, why do you ask? There is nothing you will accept as fact unless it is printed and endorsed by The Gay Times.

            So why even ask? Just say, “I CAN’T HEEEAARRRR YOU!!!!” while clamping your palms over your ears (for a change of pace).

          • Shadowwolf78

            I’m a scientist. My opinion can change with verified evidence. You have presented nothing but derision and juvenile attempts to be offensive. As such, unless you present yourself, and your statements, in a reasonable fashion, backed up with verified, peer reviewed evidence, than this conversation is over.

          • RCQ_92130

            Your “science” was settled a long, long time ago. You decided to go gay; every second thereafter you spend every waking moment trying to figure out ways to claim your decision wasn’t stupid. But, as Gump once said, “stupid is as stupid does”. YOU, sir, are an ignorant (in common terms, ‘stupid’) fool. Good luck!

    • Shadowwolf78

      The 10 Commandments:

      1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
      2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
      3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
      4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
      5. Honour thy father and they mother.
      6. Thou shalt not kill.
      7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
      8. Thou shalt not steal.
      9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
      10. thou shalt not covet.

      Which one says “Thou shalt not do business with “x” person”?

  • Tom Townsend II

    While discrimination should not be permitted in any form, there are such things as conscience, personal and religious or even anti-religious beliefs and the right of every person to freely decide whom they wish to do business with or whom they do not. It is unconscionable and wholly wrong to inflict the beliefs of one person or even a group of people upon any other or others under the supposition of enforcing anti-discriminatory laws or policies. Consider, is it right to force people who believe in a divine being to act or do business in any way contrary to their personal beliefs? How about taking an atheist and forcing them to take and do a job wherein they would be promoting a particular religious belief or the support of one or more followed divine being? Suppose we have Islamic Muslims having to take fares and drive people with their dogs or pet pigs around in taxies some Muslims drive; or maybe have members of the Black Panthers drive klansmen and women to KKK rallies or advertise KKK parades? Maybe we can have Christian churches promote Islam and trips Mosques or Muslim Islamic speakers in Christian churches; all under the guise of promoting anti-discrimination like such things are done in law enforcement agencies and schools. Perhaps we can even have Hebrew or Christian scholars or preachers visit Mosques or Muslim students in Islamic schools to talk about Christianity and Christian Churches or Judaism and Hebrew temples. Wouldn’t that be nice? Maybe even those who attack, assault and try to do great harm to Christian U.S. Citizens who dare to try to enter places such as Dearborn, Michigan could be put in prison for their evil and discriminatory crimes of intolerance against these U.S. citizens whose crimes are simply daring to be Christians and their trying to enter and move freely around a City within our nation. Would any of this be any less correct as trying to force people discussing the proven truth about Islam to remain silent; forcing the removal of monuments and other items through forcing the beliefs of atheists upon non-atheists through courts or by threatening government or military officials; or attempting to force people to forego their personal beliefs and convictions to demand they do business with someone or a group; abrogating their rights to refuse service in the process? I know, lets all get together and force the blacks only groups to whites and all other races; those who only do business and support businesses of the same races they are; and those who hire only from their races (i.e., many Asian or Mexican restaurants, many manicure shops and quite a few black businesses, as well as some white ones to all have to accept and perform services for each and every other race and group regardless of their beliefs, preferences or any other such desires. How about it? Wouldn’t this be just as right?

    I think I just might go out taking my pet sow Maribel for a cab ride in a taxi I know about driven by a Muslim islamist driver I have met to see a Mullah in a Mosque about getting his fellow Islamists to help put out fliers promoting the local Judean Temple for a donation to their Mosque. Then I may go see an atheist I carpenter married to a bisexual woman with a lesbian live-in friend I know to hire him to build a large sign promoting a Christian church and the anti-abortion and whole family with one man and one woman stance promoted by this church. Then it might also be responsible to see about setting up and promoting visits for the children attending local Mosques and members of our LGBT community and law enforcement to the local Christian community center for a full presentation on Judaism, Jesus and Christianity. I might further see the ACLU to help sue all who refuse to go along with these endeavors for discrimination and either make them comply or perhaps get some huge settlements or court ordered fines and penalties in the process. I might even get some of these same results in litigation against the ACLU if they refuse to represent me or do so, but with a decided lack of enthusiasm. Maybe others will see this and do the same. What do you think? Hmmmmm……?

    • craig


      • Tom Townsend II

        Correct! And the worst of it is that those in positions of power; such as those in the top positions of our government and in most government media would rather either ignore or support these offensive and highly immoral discriminatory behaviors against Christians and moral behaviors, as well as supporting outright criminal behaviors than to do what is right, ethical and do what would mean the most good. Shameful really.

  • Shadowwolf78

    If you think businesses should be allowed to discriminate and refuse business to gays, then what are your opinions about a business discriminating and refusing to do business with someone who’s Christian, or female, or black?

    • Dead_Right

      Yo, they do it all the time….

      • Shadowwolf78

        But is it right? Should it be allowed? Or should someone discriminated against have legal recourse?

  • ehaynes

    No shirt, No shoes – No service. What is the difference?

    • Mac Boy

      If you’re Queer, don’t shop here ……….

  • byronmullet

    The bakery should have counter sued for defamation of their Christian character, for impugning their rights of religious conscience, targeting them to create a spectacle and using their biblical beliefs against them to promote their godless Gay agenda. In addition, they could object to doing the cake, because it would contribute to the delinquency and morals of minors and adults who would witness the wedding and learn that Christians made it.

    • CharlieFromMass

      A most interesting defense strategy.

      I don’t know if it would work, but it would be interesting to see what would happen under such an assertion.

  • diana

    yes and not just gays it depends on the job if you run a business, you think of your co, and how you come across ive been in some store’s and tatooed pierced up gross looking people, in some store’s this expected, but not at macy’s or jcp.same for gay’s just for health reasons there should be percaution’s and kids should not have that exposed to them until much older, so YES

  • fort9erdon

    These gay individuals could always go to a gay baker to get their cake, but they are targeting a straight baker, with the intent of suing, in order to intimidate other straight bakers into submission.

    • J D S

      Yes, and the suing and/or criminal charges should be flowing in the OTHER direction. The owner of this business should be suing the troublemakers (including whomever was operating behind the scenes to use them to set him up), and the local community needs to have the so-called judge recalled pronto!!!!!

  • John Stout

    I am a gun packing DON’T TREAD ON ME type of a person. There are all kinds of
    buisnesses, hospitals, and government institutions that discriminate against me
    because I carry a defensive weapon for my personal protection. I do not raise a
    stink about it. I just ignore their signs or refuse to do business there. I do
    feel discriminated against but what right do I have to complain if they do not
    want my business?

  • billconner

    Its there business thy can door serve whoever they want

  • fort9erdon

    Post a sign out front of your bakery, inviting gay couples to buy their wedding cakes there. Sign should read: FUDGE CAKES, 10% OFF!

    • Rich2741

      No… “Fudge cakes, 50% more.”

  • leewacker

    This particular incident was so obvious in its setup, it smells! Those gay people were merely out to make trouble for this businessman, and took their sexual choice as a means to hurt him/her!
    But, I have never seen a business deny a person service unless that person was acting out, such as cursing, loud derogatory comments or just plain crazy actions. But, in a religious sense, the judge should have respected the business owner’s position—after all, a business has the right to deny service to anyone, and this is LAW clear across the land!
    The judge in this case was way off course, and should be castigated!

  • Don Sr.

    Inthe real world it’s not known as discrimination. It’s known as morality v. imorality DUH!

  • KDanagger

    If a business owner – an individual – can’t choose who it wishes to provide a service for, is that individual a slave, or are they free?

    Anyone who wishes to use any form of coercion against another is violating their freedoms. Anyone who supports such activity opens pandoras box and allows the possibility of someone else using the same instrument of force against them .

    Freedom only works if it applies to everyone equally.

  • Patrick Henry

    If I carry agun with a permit I cannot go into a business that posts NO GUNS. Same applies for no shirt no shoes. Why should gays be exempt???

    • Dr Wood

      Right on friend I carry as well

    • Rich2741

      The sign itself is not law. Actually you can still enter (“I did not notice the sign.” / there was no convenient). If they then find out you are carrying a gun they can demand that you leave. If you leave immediately, no law has been broken, and no violation of your carry license. But just to be safe, check YOUR state’s gun carry laws.

  • Dr Wood

    There is always someone trying to make an easy buck in court, my business I’ll serve to whom i want to it’s my business who the hell is some liberal judge to say who i can serve and who i can’t
    next it will be can i see your ID to buy a freaking pretzel.

  • Don Roberts

    My business…MY RULES..

  • Dale

    In the old days, many businesses had a posted sign; “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone!” They should have this right.

  • Navigator7

    “Should businesses be allowed….”???
    I have trouble with the concept of “allowed”.
    “Allowed” by who?
    Should consumers be forced by our government to buy a product they can’t use, don’t need or can’t afford?
    Like Obamacare?

    Yes…Businesses should be allowed to compete with one another unfettered with issues like race, age, sex, age and obesity.

    Our government should be hindered.

    • Rich2741

      Actually, we have the authority to rescind their contrived authority; it is called the 10th Amendment, and it is VERY powerful. Now we just need state leaders (Governors) with the gonads to do it.

  • Gary

    The Judge should be disbarred from the bench because he obviously based his decision on personal feelings and beliefs, discrimination is not about forcing a privately owned business to serve someone they refuse to ! I sure hope that the Bakery concerned will appeal this decision I for one would be more than willing to make a donation to help with legal fees !!!

  • gavinwca

    Impeach this deviant judge. The judge is an insult to the American Constitution.

  • ralph lally

    1st, stop saying gay–they are QUEERS -I have no problem since I believe that the majority of them are born that way. for them to choose that lifestyle is natural for them. What is wrong is for them to continue to push their agenda/lifestyle on everyone else. QUEERS cannot MARRY, they can live together, etc. but cannot MARRY- that is between a man and a women-The problem is that the QUEER, etc. wants to force their lifestyle on everyone—————–

    • Rich2741

      Yes, stop say ‘gay’; the correct term is HOMOSEXUAL… and they HATE that word (and have no defense against it) because it immediately brings up images in a normal person’s mind of one man stuffing his sexual organ into the rectum of another man and pulling out feces.

  • marylou45

    What the Hell !! They want your cake that bad, Spite in the dough and sell it to them, then give their money to your Church of choice.

  • Richard Holmes

    This judge a n authority the force ANYONE TO

  • bahndon

    If one business refuses to do business with queers they should find one that will. No business should be forced by government to violate their belief that certain lifestyles are an abomination and the First Amendment guarantees that freedom !!!!!

  • Doctor_M7

    Only the government, at all levels, should not be allowed to discriminate.

  • Richard Holmes

    Send all the homosexuals to hell.

  • AFZoomieTim

    A privately owned business should have the right to refuse service to whomever they choose, AND NOT have to give a reason!!
    “So, okay! This is my business and I refuse to serve you today. Thanks for asking. Goodbye!!!!”
    What in HELL is wrong with that?? My business. My money. MY decision!

  • HongryHawg

    1. To equate homosexuals with blacks is pushing one cause onto the back of another; racism. The two are not the same, though the homosexuals try very hard to make theirs a similar struggle. 2. A personally owned business should be allowed to do business with or without whomever it wants. Now if it is a publicly held enterprise, different rules should apply because there are shareholders that expect ALL business. 3. Freedom means that if you privately own your business, it is YOUR choice as to whose business you want or do not want. 4. That is the most aggravating person to be sending any message. That voice would turn me off of whatever her purpose, no matter how well-meaning.

  • Howdy

    This is suppose to be a free country, as a retired businessman, I did business with who ever I wanted to, I built custom homes above Sacramento in the foothills and refused to do business with Politicians, attorneys, Doctors and School Teachers, I just had to much trouble collecting my money from those deadbeats. I never turned down a gay, lib, or bisexual because they never asked to do business with me, which I am glad..

  • John Moses Browning

    This is a very controversial subject to say the least. Okay first off I am morally against Homosexuality and homosexual acts. I do not hate gay people or what they do in their own homes in privacy. It should a public spectacle.
    As far as I can see the Liberals and Gays are making this out to be a Civil Rights Issue – the same as Racism & Race Hate. The Liberals & Gays claim “That you are born gay” and there IS a “Gay Gene”.
    However all of the Research (Even those tests sponsored by Gays and /or Liberals) the results are an emphatic NO, there is no such thing as a “Gay Gene” and you cannot and are not Born Gay.
    Sexuality is a personal choice, you have a choice in your sexuality. Unlike being born White, Black, Red, Yellow or Tall or Short or even Blue eyed or Brown eyed. Civil Rights should only deal with discrimination of things that cannot be changed. So when it comes to matters of choice the Law and the Bureaucracy and The Government should BUTT THE HELL OUT!!
    The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech.
    So as far as the Law stands if your religion believes that Homosexuality is a Sin and Wrong – You are free, as a Citizen, to exercise your Religion and NOT marry a Gay couple, bake a wedding cake or even photograph a Gay wedding IF YOU CHOOSE TO.
    Emphasis on YOUR Right to choose yes or no. You CANNOT BE COERCED into doing anything against your beliefs. Period. Our Constitution says its our God Given Right.

    • J D S

      Well, you didn’t leave religion out of it, as requested, but you are correct! If the Constitution didn’t leave religion out (the free exercise thereof), then why should we be requested to? Dumb request. Sorry editors, but that’s just how I feel about it, and Kudos to JMB.

  • Fred_K

    I would have a list of services with prices. The homosexual column would have an N/A in that column. If asked why, my comment would be that no satisfactory item has been developed in that category.

  • Ollie

    You people will do what the government tells you to do! Why? You gutless wonders have let the government do it to you! Now you will do what you’re told! Now go sit down and keep your mouths shut!

  • old broad

    Sorry I think a business should be able to serve OR not serve who ever they want ! If they don’t want my business I don’t care I will go some where else! I would never be so RUDE as to force my self on some one else !

  • Dempsey Coleman

    YES no one is SPECIAL

  • Val

    This girl is annoyning.

    • RCQ_92130

      ANNOYING ?????

      She makes a good argument for abortion.

  • CaptGene

    First: Queers are not a “race” – they are deviants who practice abnormal sexual behavior. Second: I could give a flying fornication about some “fudge packer” who wants to practice his/her/undecided deviant sexual practice. Third: The reason America is failing is because of total lack of morality that is overtaking the Republic.

  • Charles Giles


    • RCQ_92130

      When, EVER, did you see a gay activist NOT flaunt hie/her/it’s lifestyle and demand you bow down to their choices? EVER?

  • MaranathaMark

    This clearly is a violation of the baker’s 1st Amendment rights. He stated it was against his religious beliefs to bake the cake for the gay couple’s wedding. Where do we get to say no? If a gay man walked into the Bakery and decides he wants to date the male baker? Can the judge force him to go on a date with the gay guy? If the straight baker refuses the date with the gay man, can he by accused of a “hate crime”? I know, many will say that is silly, but so is forcing someone to go against their religious beliefs and provide a service. The judge in this story has clearly exceeded his constitutional authority and should be immediately removed from the bench!

  • Mainman12

    Is always correct to discriminate against immoral evil. Not against the persons themselves but against all support of that which is immoral which includes support of intrinsically immoral activities such as homosexual “unions”, “marriages”. And more than that a person should be able to not sell to anyone for any reason whatsoever.

  • Mys77

    Of course business can discriminate…. some business don’t allow children into their place of business, some don’t allow smokers into their business, some business don’t allow women, or men to come into their business, some people don’t allow people who don’t have a credit card to buy their products, some people don’t allow someone without a photo ID to enter their business. And since being gay is a behavior that is repulsive to others to see and encounter, I have no problem in any business asking them to leave.

  • dumbvet

    Whatever happen to that owners rights?

  • Independent Voter

    A business should be able to adhere to the religious beliefs of the owner. Anything else is a clear violation of the First Amendment demand that Congress make no law interfering with the free exercise of religion. There are plenty of businesses who will do business with the Sodomites.

  • dumbvet

    Why would you force a bakery to bake a cake for you? Go somewhere else. This whole thing smells like a scam to get money.

  • shirt1

    Why is it that the loud mouth left sticks their nose in this. The court should not have been involved. The aclu took this case because they do not believe in Christian values. Remember there is a war on Christian values and Christians in this country. It is the business’ choice who they serve.

  • Warren Domke

    I would say a business owner should be allowed to choose who he or she does business with and what kind of product he or she will produce. Why not simply bake a wedding cake without the figures on top, though? That way the baker is not endorsing a lifestyle with which he or she disagrees. I have had a few homosexual friends that I’ve known about and probably a few whose sexual orientation I didn’t know about because they kept it to themselves. I don’t advertise MY heterosexuality (that’s straight) because it is my business. What I object to is the “in your face” approach so many homosexual people take. Sexuality is a private matter. Keep it private.

    • GoldenRudy

      After all, it is called “private” business for a reason, no? Well, for the time being, America still has “private” businesses.

  • geneww1938

    Would you demand a Muslim caterer to cater a “Bar Mitzvah” or a Rabbi to marry two swine? Then what should a Christian be forced to be offended and serve sodomites?

    Personally, as a Christian I would serve them the cake, under protest, but it may not be the best product I ever produced … Salt looks like sugar, 550 versus 350 oven temperature could be accidental, wax paper between sheets instead of rice paper has happened before.

    The sodomite should be arrested for harassment of the owner. There are other places that would be glad to bake them a cake.

  • Blomsoy

    Under fascism you are allowed to own your business, but authorities (government) decide how you
    conduct it, how it is taxed and regulated.We have been moving in that direction for a very long time.
    That Judge is just a hand maiden for those who are burning rubber in the quest to “fundamentally
    change America”. Shame on him.
    Good video Miss Borowski ! I bet you are an American, so please don’t call yourself anything else.
    I am an American also, by choice.

    • Rich2741

      Blomsoy –

      I just had to comment when I read the last line of your post. You are 100% correct.

      Now the funny thing is almost everyone goes around calling themselves ‘American’ (a unofficial term; a term of endearment) that lives here. Well a whole bunch of them are lying. Being an American is someone who loves the concept of our freedom based in the US Constitution (to be a land of free men) AND the tenets (of God and morality) on which this nation was founded. Unfortunately, about half the people in this country are not actually ‘Americans’ (even though they were born here), they are merely US Citizens by being born here. There is a BIG difference between the two.

      • Blomsoy

        Dear Rick2741,
        Yes, you are right also. The marvellous idea that made this country, i.e.
        individual liberty and property rights, has not been understood by many modern
        citizens, nor by ditto immigrants. They enjoy the result of the Founders’
        wisdom without understanding the need for eternal vigilance to keep the idea
        alive. The Left and any other collectivists understand this and it encourages
        them in their attacks against our country, the only one with a solid basis in
        But we won’t give in. Ever.
        Merry Christmas to you !

  • john

    …if you don’t like the service…..go somewhere else!!

  • Daniel Gray

    They are not discriminating against anyone, forget then little signs that say that the owners of the business have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason? Or did you forget the US Supreme Court Boy Scout decision that clearly stated that a person CANNOT be made to associate with another person. That should eliminate any gay lawsuits against businesses that refuse to serve them.

  • dave a

    They chose their lifestyle and I chose mine.
    I know what my book classifies as unlawful.
    Sodomy is against the natural relation of a male and female.
    It is detestable to GOD.
    Satan deceives the participants into believing it is the norm.
    Do your perversion, but do not expect me to follow your life style.
    Growing up you were known as perverts, the classification is still true today no mater what you chose to believe.

  • Rich2741

    Absolutely! “No shirt – No shoes – No service.” Can be expanded to read: “No shirt – No shoes – Sexual perverts – No service.”

    The word “discrimination” has been turned into a dirty word. Discrimination is a process of rejecting one element over another based on some kind of input and is used multiple times each day by everyone. What is bad, is ‘unjustified’ discrimination. Would you discriminate against a NAZI (who might accost you)? Would you discriminate against a murderer (who might murder you)? Would you discriminate against a drunk (who might regurgitate all over your shoes)? Would you discriminate against a homosexual (who might spit on you having AIDS)? In the case of homosexuals, discrimination against them is a positive thing as homosexuals can carry life-threatening disease, promote sexual perversion among youth, cause uneasiness in patrons, are much more apt to lie in conversation and interaction, and of course whine like a Nancy incessantly. By discriminating against them there is at least a chance they might be impacted by societal norms to reject their filthy lifestyle of choice (And it is a choice, even though based in mental illness, as no one was ever born a homosexual.).

  • wolfman4u

    why does Obama want to change America as I like it the way it was

    • Sunshine Kid

      From the very beginning there have been people trying to turn the government into an all-powerful entity. Initially, they were called ‘royalists’, then ‘Whigs’ and now ‘liberals’. They have always been about taking power, and it seems that this time they have been more successful than any time in the past. We need to put them in their place, and hard.

  • NoRINO

    Gay people should not be allow to sue normal people for their own hangups.

    • RCQ_92130

      Gay people should not be permitted to be within 100 yards of a normal person ….. at least until they start acting like adults.

  • Libya21

    If somebody has the sense to tell you your business is not wanted one should at least have the sense to leave and take their dollars elsewhere. You want to be satisfied don’t you?

  • jb80538

    Since homosexuality is totally immoral, a Christian business owner should be allowed to not provide service to the based on his Christian principals!

    • Steven

      I agree that homosexuality is immoral, but that is IRRELEVANT. A business owner, regardless of their religious belief, should be allowed to refuse to do business with ANYONE for ANY reason. The fact this case violates the 1st amendment is actually a side issue.

  • v steve

    Only if they have Freedom in their Nation.

  • 1straightshooter

    The sad thing is that as a nation we have deteriorated so much that what was once a capital crime under God’s law is now being put forth as some sort of right.

  • Dead_Right

    Where do you get your moral absolutes? Do you even have any or believe in a set of them.
    I am convinced it is right to be free to associate and not associate.
    When you use the phrase, is it right? You indicate a larger set of morals that are or seem innate and binding to all.
    Legal recourse? Why the heck should law even be involved at all?
    Christiians have been persecuted for centuries. Jesus said it would be the norm. Sometimes we leave and sometimes we fight back. But we rarely claim “group rights” as seems the modern self victimization pattern.
    Ayan rand fans know not to play the victim or even be bothered by what others think.
    Many things men do are “not right”. For the most part, forgive, forget, don’t trust and move forward. Living well is the best revenge.

  • GoldenRudy

    If someone does not want my business, fine. I will go to where I can get it.

    • Sunshine Kid

      But you are normal; liberals and gays don’t fit that mold.

  • Charles Giles

    That is really the point, isn’t it?

  • GQ4U

    Businesses are privately owned enterprises who should be allowed to hire employees that fit the culture and goals of the company and maintain an employee compatible environment. It certainly is not the governments place to pass a law (that doesn’t stop em) controlling private enterprise. I don’t agree that believing homosexuality is wrong makes one a bigot — if it does then I’m a proud bigot just like God Almighty. The public pretty much accepts adultery as normal these days but public acceptance isn’t the measure of right and wrong. I as an employer wouldn’t want to hire a gay employee or a promiscuous sex addict because these are both messed up people.

  • pysco

    Pardon me , I must have mixed up the sugar with the salt.

  • Jon Dough

    The baker was willing to sell them anything they wanted, including a birthday cake. He just didn’t want to have a part in their wedding. They could have gone to any other bakery. But they deliberately made this an issue to punish anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

    • Sunshine Kid

      And they should face punishment for forcing their views on those who don’t agree with them. A counter suit with demand for damages would be just about perfect.

  • Wayne

    Has this idiot never heard of the “We reserve the right to refuse service”. Also she has to be the most annoying person I have ever listened to.

    • RCQ_92130

      Yep, she is absolutely ugly – inside & out.

      I’m pretty much against abortion in all cases …. but this woman gives me reason to reconsider.

  • JL Brown Jr

    Yes, any business should be able to serve only those they want too. They can do what ever they want, but I don’t have to agree with it, nor do I have to waste my time serving them. Its not about being anti gay, anti Muslim, anti white, anti black. Its about the right to choose who you want to serve. If the force someone to serve, then they are telling any and all, if you don’t serve these we will shut you down, its the right of the business to serve those.

  • JL Brown Jr

    I heard a interesting twist, should a muslim butcher have to go and supply pork for a non muslim customer? They want to force this issue they will not like where it ends

  • Eleanor Santo

    It’s clearly a publicity stunt. How many bakeries are there, they can’t just find another? We aren’t talking about refusing medical care or shelter… it’s a cake, not necessary for life.

  • Frank J. Austin

    Remember the signs in shops in days gone by ? ” We reserve the right to REFUSE service to anyone, for any REASON ! “

  • barry1817

    Just say you are Muslim, then you can not have to deal with service animals, not have to deal with people carrying alcohol, and probably not have to deal with gays. Funny how Muslims get to come here and not play by the rules that we think are important and they get a pass, what for, because of their religious beliefs, but not if you are Christian and have religious beliefs.

  • Bullhead1

    I don’t see it as discrimination. I see it as following what a person believes God says. and he says it is a sin and we are to stay away from sin.

    • Steven

      We have allowed the word discrimination to be redefined. The TRUE definition of discrimination is acknowledging that not all choices are equal. Being a person of discriminating taste was a COMPLEMENT not so long ago. This IS discrimination, but is shouldn’t be ILLEGAL to discriminate. Discrimination by government is a problem. Discrimination by PEOPLE, on whatever basis they chose, is a RIGHT.

  • Lee Riffee

    I think that many are missing something here…I don’t think that the baker had refused this gay couple because they were gay (honestly, not all gay people can be identified by their looks; some can but many cannot) but because of what they wanted the cake for (a gay “wedding”). For those who cry bigotry and discrimination whenever something like this comes up, they seem to be missing the fact that what is being refused is abetting a behavior (in this case, the gay “wedding”) rather than a person or type of person.

    If this baker refused to sell anything to red-headed people, that would be bigotry (but would currently be technically legal as far as I know, because even though you are born with a certain hair color, if you have to you can dye it), because hair color is something someone is born with. If the baker also asked each customer if he or she was gay, and then refused to sell to them, that would also be bigotry and discrimination. But to refuse to participate in an act or behavior, isn’t discrimination.
    Imagine if the baker supported animal rights and someone came in and asked for a cake that would celebrate a child’s first deer that he hunted and killed, complete with a picture of the child with his trophy depicted on the icing. Now the baker would likely find that appalling and would refuse the job, and he would have every right to do so. Because hunting, while perfectly legal, is, like a marriage, an act that someone can choose (or chose not to) participate in. And the customer in this hypothetical situation is free to find another bakery that will happily fill his order.
    And something like this, even if the customer sued, would never even make it to a court most likely, much less the baker find himself ruled against.

    So if someone is being refused due to immutable characteristics about themselves (such as skin color) that is discrimination, and the person does have legal recourse, but behaviors and actions cannot be considered to be legal grounds for claiming discrimination IMO.

  • Sunshine Kid

    If a business can refuse service for improper dress, then the same business can refuse service for any legal reason. Considering that gay marriage is illegal where the cake was ordered, the business was NOT out of line.

  • Knybee

    One assumption here is that those who are practicing their “gay lifestyle” are not sinning so it’s none of anyone else’s business. But that means that God is wrong and though we know His precepts, a little girl says that to speak and act upon them is equivalent to hate. Therefore by her own skewed sight, God is also a hater because He’s the One who set the rules in the first place.
    And to ask If one can “keep religion out of the argument” is a foolish and cowardly hope when one considers that the founders of the “free society” of this country knew very well the God of the ages when they acknowledged Him in the Constitution, in keeping with the scripture “In all thy ways acknowledge Me”. But the people who love to advocate freedom so much, love the gift more than the Giver of that gift. They acknowledge the gift as being above the Giver.
    That’s shows the difference between those who feign caring about the so-called “oppressed”, ie “gays”, and those who really love. Because if you’re not following God, who is love, you’re deceived in thinking that you can love in any perfect way those who are sinners, including yourself. Because if you can not love yourself the way that you’re supposed to, it makes “Love thy neighbor as thyself” impossible.

  • nancy miller

    I think a business should be able to sell or not sell to anybody that they please.

  • grumpybill

    Any judge that takes this stand should be removed from the bench and disbarred for life!!!

  • budman

    I would simply ignore the order and likely win in a court since there are so many policies by businesses where they can deny access.
    This is becoming a war between business and certain groups who feel discriminated against and feel the rights of business owners should be they can refuse service for any request that is against their personal or religious beliefs.

  • Tom K.

    Not too many years ago, businesses would post a sign that read: ” We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone ” and that worked well. I really don’t like your ears – get out of my store. This is MY business which I Built and I will operate it as I see fit. OUR Government should Lead – Follow – or Get out of the Way. FREEDOM ! ! !

  • Charles of Waveland

    Should Government be required, by law to do the job they were elected to do and that is to do the peoples WILL, NOT THEIR WILL ?????????????????????????????

  • brabbie2002

    There are usually signs in stores that state “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone!” If the store does not want to bake the cake, so be it. Is this the only bakery in that town? I, personally, wouldn’t want to eat aid cake? God only knows what will go into it! This is just another ploy by radical gays to push their life style down our throats. No, I am not against gays. What you do in your bedroom is your business. But do NOT ask for special rights because of your life style!

    • Garx69

      Well said.

  • VeeDub57

    “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”! If it’s my business, I will do as I please. You don’t like it, you are free to take your business elsewhere. I will also hire who I want. Where did this liberal talking piece come from?

  • larryincamden

    More to the point … should ANYONE be able to force a business, or anyone else, to do business with them?

  • Donald York

    Our Government will allow these homosexuals to destroy this businessman, and that is sad.
    Stand on your beliefs Mr. businessman! It begins with you.

  • chief1937

    This woman makes sense any business that is privately owned should be able to refuse service to anyone they please without having to state a reason just as prospective buyers you have the right to avoid that business if you please. The courts should not have the authority to force anyone to serve anyone they do not want to. Law suits should not be allowed. There is one business I personally do not shop with because I disagree with their actions have no intentions of trying to force them to change I just avoid them problem solved.

  • cyber_hackster

    Crappy video — “Ohhh – Gag me with a credit cad – put me on layaway- ooohhh” — I have the right to refuse to do business with who ever I chose to..Period.. And I can keep my business….

  • James

    Yes, it is my business and I have the right to refuse to do business with anyone I want as long as there are other businesses to which the customer may go. I do not think you should be allowed to refuse necessities such as medicine, utilities other such vital items. We refuse to serve people without a jacket, or without a shirt, and even without proper foot wear and we refuse to serve
    people dressed only in bathing suits. I have the right not to take a job on a roof if I do not think it is worth my while. I should have the right to refuse to make a cake for someone. The refusal to do business with a gay person is not discrimination. The person is gay by choice. There is no gay gene and there are thousands of ex-gays that now admit this. You cannot choose what race
    you are born into, but you can sure as hell choose not to be gay. This refusal to do business with someone more closely resembles my refusal to allow a really dirty smelly man to enter my restaurant. He has a choice, he can clean up and the gay has a choice not to be gay.

  • KellyKAFIR

    equating a business who does not want to do business with sodomites for their deviant “weddings” with bigotry is apples and oranges… Where is the biz owner’s rights to practice their religious beliefs in their own business?

  • Anita

    I think most who push the issue of service refusal is looking for their “15 seconds of fame”. I’m straight, but I wouldn’t spend my money with any business who didn’t want it; I’d simply go to a business who DID want it.

  • Jo

    In our country the law has always stated: We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

    • Steven

      The LAW has never state this. The statement actually covers WHY the law shouldn’t be involved. The government is a CREATION of the people, and we RESERVE the right to refuse service. In other words, we never GAVE the government the power to make such decisions. The government has ONLY the authority it was given by the people.

  • Mort Leith

    PRIVATE businesses should be able to do WHATEVER they want ! !

    It’s THEIR business, to hire, fire or refuse service to ANYONE they want,,, it’s THEIR business ! !

  • Joe

    Here’s a thought. If they are forced by an activist judge to make a wedding cake for gays, go ahead and make it…burn it to a crisp, or lace it with jalapeno juice, cover Sorry, wedding’s over and no time to get another cake. Can you make a federal case out of burning a cake? After all, they contracted to make a cake; they made a cake, case closed. Just say the burnt offerings are symbolic of how they’ll spend eternity together and that was your special gift to the blushing brides (or grooms). Wedding photographers can always click the pics of gay weddings and turn complete, comprehensive views of the wedding…out of focus! Sorry, boys, hire a gay photographer next time. If florists are forced to deliver flowers to a gay wedding, deliver all the flowers they ordered…wilted and ugly. Okay, boys, no charge…enjoy the fragrances! Maybe these freaks will get the message.

  • sengal

    If the government can discriminate against the people via phone surveillance, IRS, etc., why can’t business owners do the same?

    • Steven

      Spying is not discrimination. That said, PEOPLE have FAR more rights than we have GIVEN government.

      • sengal

        Government has no business interfering. Spying is violating individuals’ privacy and is against our 4th amendment. Socialists and government have no respect for our constitution.

        • Steven

          I did NOT state or imply spying was allowable. YOU claimed it was discrimination. I simply pointed out it is NOT discrimination. Spying, in itself, doesn’t treat one person differently than anyone else.

  • WardMD

    YES! Yes they should!

    JUST as people have a RIGHT to NOT spend their money at ANY business that has policies with which one disagrees!

    They should be FREE to go bankrupt (if they can’t make a profit) – BUT they should ALSO be FREE to make as MUCH profit as WE, THE PEOPLE are willing to spend buying their goods and/or services!

    We are LONG PAST the days of “No Blacks Allowed” or “Separate, but equal”…

    It’s NOT the proper role of Government to decide WHO (individual or corporation) has earned ENOUGH, or WHAT (non-lethal) food products I wish to buy (or, Mr. Bloomberg, HOW LARGE a soda).

    Just as Liberals want Conservatives OUT of a woman’s “health” choices (aka Abortions) – so, too, do Conservatives want Liberals OUT of OUR CHOICES (religious, dietary, educational, self-defense, etc.)!

  • JohnG

    The last time I looked, this is still the United States. Any business owner can choose to do or not do business with anyone he or she wants to.

  • CalifTaxPayer

    Business’s should be able to decide who they will or will Not serve. They made the investment to start the company so they have the say. That Gay couple could have just went to another baker but NO they have to draw attention to themselves and whine like a child. I hope the Baker keeps to his belief and NOT make them the cake. Since when does the Gov. have the right to tell a business owner who they have to serve???!!!! That judge can go to hell………….

  • JayelK

    She completely missed the point. This baker has served these same people in the past, thus he is not a bigot against gays. He declined making the cake because gay marriage is against his religious beliefs. So, it is now ‘offensive’ that someone sticks to their religious beliefs? Is it now OK for laws, or courts, to force us to conflict with our religious beliefs?

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